[Deptheads] Child Care at the Convention
Norman Carlson
carlsonnorm at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 11 11:42:32 PST 2008
I can check with the hotels around Disneyland again, sense i work at the convention center it will be easy for me.
Norm
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From: Eric M. Aldrich I <ealdrich at penguinlust.org>
To: deptheads at strategicon.net
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:45:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Deptheads] Child Care at the Convention
The
cons
actually
all
started
in
Orange
County
--
Orccon
was
first
held
at
CSU
Fullerton
(I
think,
I
wasn't
there
for
this
one),
Gateway
at
the
Sheraton
Anaheim
(next
to
Disneyland)
and
Gamex
at
Chapman
College.
For
the
sake
of
those
that
travel,
we'd
have
to
be
near
John
Wayne
airport.
The
earliest
moving
is
realistic
is
2010.
I'm
not
opposed
to
this,
but
we'd
have
to
plan
this
out
thoroughly.
Eric
On
Mon,
Feb
11,
2008
at
10:33:38AM
-0800,
DB
wrote:
>
If
we?re
truly
serious
about
aiming
for
families,
long
term
plans
might
be
>
to
move
the
con
to
family-friendly
Orange
County.
I?m
just
saying
that
>
having
the
con
at
a
hotel
near
crummy-neighborhood
LAX
on
a
street
full
of
>
strip
clubs
isn?t
exactly
a
family
environment.
Plus,
since
real
estate
in
>
Los
Angeles
urban
area
is
so
high,
the
middle-class
family
audience
that
>
would
show
up
at
the
con
doesn?t
live
anywhere
close.
Plus,
if
we
were
in
>
Orange
County,
we?d
be
that
much
more
accessible
to
bedroom
communities
in
>
san
diego,
riverside
and
san
bernardino
counties.
When
the
con
started
in
>
the
L.A.
Area
all
those
years
ago,
it
was
a
very
different
demographic
that
>
lived
in
the
city.
We
might
need
to
reconsider
our
location
in
the
coming
>
years
and
make
the
jump
to
where
our
intended
attendees
actually
live.
>
>
-
Denys
>
>
>
>
On
2/11/08
8:24
AM,
"Heather
Hughes"
<heather at gibsongirl.net>
wrote:
>
>
>
I
have
all
the
information
she
(Lisa)
aquired
on
that
.
I
still
have
the
>
>
company
info.
In
2007
it
was
too
much
of
a
cost
with
a
new
convention
>
>
management
for
us
to
afford,
so
we
put
it
on
the
back
burner.
We
can
revisit
>
>
it
again
at
the
next
meeting
if
you
like.
I
will
call
the
service
again
in
>
>
anticpation
of
a
more
detailed
discussion
on
their
services
and
cost
for
May.
>
>
>
>
Heather
>
>
>
>
>
>
On
2/8/08,
Norman
Carlson
<carlsonnorm at yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>>
We
need
to
attract
the
family
to
the
con,
as
Patrick
stated
"The
con
is
>
>>
getting
older,
and
we
need
it
to
get
younger
or
our
con
is
dying
a
slow
>
>>
death",
we
started
working
on
this
in
2005,
by
acquiring
a
licensed
bonded
>
>>
company
to
run
a
kids
room.
Lisa
was
handling
this
for
us
and
has
a
lot
of
>
>>
information
that
we
could
probably
get
from
her.
If
i
remember
correctly
she
>
>>
had
a
company
that
we
where
considering
in
right
before
the
con
was
sold.
>
>>
>
>>
Norm
>
>>
>
>>
-----
Original
Message
----
>
>>
From:
DB
<noldor at gmail.com>
>
>>
To:
deptheads at strategicon.net
>
>>
Sent:
Friday,
February
8,
2008
7:54:57
AM
>
>>
Subject:
Re:
[Deptheads]
Re:
Computer
Room
Tourneys
>
>>
>
>>
I
think
we
should
put
Rob
in
charge
of
day
care.
I
imagine
pursuits
>
>>
throughout
the
con
like
something
out
of
Logan's
Run.
Carousel!
Carousel!
>
>>
>
>>
-
Den
>
>>
>
>>
-----Original
Message-----
>
>>
From:
"Karl
Kreder"
<zeotter at gmail.com>
>
>>
>
>>
Date:
Fri,
8
Feb
2008
07:51:32
>
>>
To:deptheads at strategicon.net
>
>>
Subject:
Re:
[Deptheads]
Re:
Computer
Room
Tourneys
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
We
have
a
large
family
group
of
3
families
worth
of
kids
(about
8-10
of
them,
>
>>
ages
from
around
6
to
13)
and
4
adults.
They
have
come
to
the
last
3
cons
>
>>
and
say
that
they
bring
the
kids
to
get
them
off
the
video
games
for
a
>
>>
weekend.
Just
an
FYI
>
>>
>
>>
On
Feb
7,
2008
10:30
PM,
Robert
Lionheart
<spinachcat at yahoo.com
>
>>
<mailto:spinachcat at yahoo.com>
>
wrote:
If
you
truly
want
to
tap
the
family
>
>>
market,
you
need
a
fully
funded
kids
room
with
babysitting
/
kids
play
>
>>
volunteers.
Kubla
has
this
and
its
a
huge
resource
drain,
but
they
are
>
>>
betting
on
the
long
term
idea
of
a
family
oriented
convention.
An
enhanced
>
>>
video
game
room
is
a
double-edged
situation.
While
should
bring
the
>
>>
attention
of
the
younger
audience,
you
run
the
distinct
risk
of
such
an
area
>
>>
becoming
a
"kids'
area"
when
the
convention
is
not
set
up
with
personnel
to
>
>>
deal
with
such
an
area.
The
security
issues
alone
are
quite
daunting
as
>
>>
are
equipment
liabilities.
One
time
a
kid
goes
missing
due
to
completely
>
>>
innocent
wandering
and
you
can
bet
the
crap
will
hit
the
fan
at
high
speed.
>
>>
While
this
may
not
have
been
an
issue
when
only
a
handful
of
kids
are
>
>>
present,
try
to
juggle
this
problem
with
five
times
the
number
of
young
>
>>
children.
Also,
is
ANYONE
on
our
!
>
>>
staff
trained
and
licensed
to
monitor
children
in
a
commercial
space?
>
>>
Also,
I
do
not
believe
we
have
to
aim
that
young
at
all.
The
high
school
/
>
>>
college
crowd
/
young
adult
market
is
very
good
and
the
older
/
returning
>
>>
gamer
is
another
choice
target.
If
the
convention
wants
to
focus
on
family
>
>>
entertainment
that
is
quite
possible
BUT
there
would
need
to
be
significant
>
>>
changes
to
make
that
happen.
To
make
that
happen,
the
convention
would
need
>
>>
a
much
more
mundane
family
game
track.
Stuff
that
people
recognize.
I
>
>>
don't
mean
members
of
BBG.
I
mean
people
who
shop
at
ToysRus
and
never
>
>>
heard
of
Catan.
I
am
taking
Chutes
&
Ladders
and
games
where
families
can
>
>>
play
as
a
whole
with
other
families.
You
would
have
to
Disneyesque
things
>
>>
to
a
great
degree.
There
would
have
to
be
MUCH
more
focus
aimed
at
>
>>
entertaining
the
6-10
year
old
and
their
parents
at
the
same
event.
If
>
>>
you
look
at
family
marketing,
you
will
see
that
the
family
focused
event
>
>>
marketing
has
a
maj!
>
>>
or
keystone
-
they
market
the
idea
that
only
people
there
are
other
fa
>
>>
milies.
Families
view
this
as
an
important
factor
in
the
assumption
of
fun
>
>>
and
safety.
Go
view
advertisements
for
zoos,
Legoland,
Whatever
on
Ice
and
>
>>
other
family
focused
events.
They
do
NOT
include
single
males
in
their
>
>>
marketing.
In
fact,
these
people
do
not
exist
in
Family
Marketing
World.
>
>>
Last
time
I
checked,
males
attending
without
kids
is
our
main
demographic.
>
>>
Otherwise,
just
saying
"sure,
bring
your
kids"
is
not
enough
to
draw
anyone.
>
>>
Currently,
there
is
NO
reason
to
bring
your
family
to
the
convention
if
you
>
>>
have
6-11
year
old
children.
We
have
ZERO
focus
on
their
needs
and
we
do
>
>>
NOT
have
a
child
secure
atmosphere.
>
>>
>
>>
-
Robert
>
>>
>
>>
Patrick
Havert
<patrickhavert at sbcglobal.net
>
>>
<mailto:patrickhavert at sbcglobal.net>
>
wrote:
Robert,
As
head
of
marketing
>
>>
do
you
think
Teen
parents
may
look
at
the
website?
Come
on
and
grow
up,
>
>>
unless
we
do
something
that
younger
kids
can
attend
they
have
no
reason
to
go
>
>>
to
the
con
and
neither
do
their
families.
If
we
eliminate
that
group
for
a
>
>>
few
years,
do
you
think
they'll
really
come
back?
The
con
is
getting
older,
>
>>
and
we
need
it
to
get
younger
or
our
con
is
dying
a
slow
death.
I
admit
that
>
>>
teens
are
better,
but
we
want
people
to
be
able
to
bring
their
families,
if
>
>>
we
don't
let's
just
put
up
signs
on
the
website
that
say
12+
years
old
only
>
>>
so
we
can
eliminate
any
family
groups
with
younger
kids.
If
you
can
explain
>
>>
why
lounge
is
better
than
Zone
for
teens,
I'd
love
to
hear
it.
You
seem
>
>>
pretty
jaded
for
someone
trying
to
get
people
to
attend
the
con,
maybe
we
>
>>
should
call
it
one
of
your
names
to
really
lower
expectations.
-Patrick
>
>>
-----
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Message
-----
F!
>
>>
rom:
Robert
Lionheart
<mailto:spinachcat at yahoo.com>
To:
>
>>
deptheads at strategicon.net
<mailto:deptheads at strategicon.net>
Sent:
>
>>
Thursday,
February
07,
2008
5:14
PM
Subject:
Re:
[Deptheads]
Re:
Computer
>
>>
Room
Tourneys
>
>>
Oh
gods
Patrick,
are
we
doing
it
"for
the
children"?
That's
it!
We're
>
>>
going
with
Video
Game
Bordello!
Halo
Orgy
starts
at
noon!
I
like
the
>
>>
non-family
connotation
of
Lounge
because
we
do
not
want
the
Video
Game
Space
>
>>
become
the
Babysitter
Zone.
We
do
not
want
parents
using
the
con
as
a
dump
>
>>
zone
for
their
rugrats.
I
am
quite
sure
Janice
isn't
signing
up
for
>
>>
Strategicon
Day
Care,
aka
Dungeons
&
Diapers.
We
want
teens,
not
kids,
as
>
>>
attendees.
Kids
are
walking
liabilities.
Teens
are
walking
wallets
and
>
>>
awesome
impule
buyers
for
the
dealer's
room.
Kids
are
a
resource
drain
while
>
>>
Teens
are
networking
gold.
The
12+
crowd
is
far
far
far
more
desirable
than
>
>>
the
6-11
range.
-
Robert
>
>>
>
>>
Patrick
Havert
<patrickhavert at sbcglobal.net
>
>>
<mailto:patrickhavert at sbcglobal.net>
>
wrote:
I
agree
with
Janice
in
that
>
>>
Lounge
has
a
kind
of
non-family
connotation
associated
with
it,
that
we
do
>
>>
not
want
to
foster.
How
about
Video
Game
Zone,
Video
Games
Live,
or
>
>>
Interactive
Gaming?
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