[Deptheads] Broadside Bash - Bashed
t.aldrich at comcast.net
t.aldrich at comcast.net
Wed Mar 11 10:49:35 PDT 2009
And when Eric says call me tonight, he typically means after 8pm.
Tanya
----- "Eric M. Aldrich I" <ealdrich at penguinlust.org> wrote:
> We have not signed on for next year with the broadside bash.
>
> As to the hotel, we need to utilize the space we have better.
>
> Call me tonight and we can go over this. Do you have any idea what
> deal they'd want to run the events?
>
> Eric
>
> On 10 Mar, 2009, at 20:24, Robyn Nixon wrote:
>
> > Part of the things complained about was table height (wanted higher
>
> > tables rather than risers) and that lack of space in the gaming
> rooms.
> >
> > Risers – generally what has been requested in the past to allow
> > players to better reach across gaming tables.
> >
> > Gaming space (how many tables that were in the rooms). Broadside
> > bash people gave us false numbers the days of the event when we were
>
> > setting up. Over estimating by 30% on both Fantasy and 40k
> > tournaments. Fortunately we aren’t charged per table, but this did
>
> > make up short of risers that we wanted to use in the upstairs. This
>
> > also caused us to move the FOW tournament upstairs and caused major
>
> > consternation on how and where to place the FOW tournament (which
> > did accurately tell us how many people they had). Accurate numbers
>
> > would have allowed us to accurately utilize the three rooms
> > downstairs for all three events, and left the upstairs room for the
>
> > LARPERs on Friday/Saturday nights.
> >
> > We are getting tarred badly for the organizational setup of this
> > event.
> >
> > Have we signed on again for next year yet?
> >
> > Eric, I’ve tried also talking to you regarding feedback that we have
>
> > gotten from the GW Socal league guys (Mike Garner), calling you
> > repeatedly.
> > As I told you, he has given us an ultimatum (which I despise from
> > anyone) to dump the Pacific Marauders, and take up a 2 year, all
> > conventions contract with the GW Socal folks to run RTTs and
> > Megaevents (at a minimum) for the next two years. I have brought
> > this to your attention and tried to get you to sit down with the
> > this last fall. I know that convention times are busy.
> >
> > Now the GW Socal folks just ran an Indi GT event also this past
> > weekend and here is the review
> > http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/232635.page
> >
> > Basic gist of the review:
> >>> Didn't know if I should put it in News or Discussions but since
> >>> it's a review of a GT I decided to put it here. If this isn't the
>
> >>> right spot please mods move it to discussions.
> >>>
> >>> So I have to say that after the Broadside Bash (Blackmoor and I
> >>> posted our horrible experiences a week or two ago for it) my hopes
>
> >>> weren't very high for the next Indy GT. I don't know if I'm gonna
>
> >>> make to more than 1 other GT this year so to get my points for
> >>> this years circuit I had to attend. It was also being run by a
> >>> league I used to parcipate in and am planning to do so again so I
>
> >>> figured what the hell, i'd give it a shot.
> >>>
> >>> That being said, holy hell! This tournement was absolutely
> >>> awesome. Probably the best event that i've participated in in
> >>> year, possibly ever. There only 31 attendees due to the short
> >>> notice and lack of advertising (something they are already fixing
>
> >>> for next year) but it seemed bigger.
> >
> > So which way are we going with this?
> >
> > The local Privateer Press volunteers are also making a play for
> > another convention here in Southern California:
> >>>
> http://forums.gamesonthego.net/index.php?showtopic=2203&pid=11025&st=0&#entry11025
> >
> > Gotta say the LAX hotel situation is killing our miniatures
> >
> > Robyn
> >
> >
> > On 3/10/09 7:58 PM, "Robyn Nixon" <robynln at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> One of the few reviews I've seen on third party sites:
> >>
> >> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/231779.page
> >>
> >>>> The whole tournament from top to bottom was a disaster.
> >>>>
> >>>> It took place two weeks ago and no one has talked about the
> >>>> Broadside Bash which is the second event in the GW tournament
> >>>> circuit, including GW. Maybe it is like a prison rape where no
> >>>> one talks about it afterwards. So I thought I would post my
> >>>> thoughts on the event.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where to start? In no order…
> >>>>
> >>>> #1. Two hour rounds.
> >>>> Really? 2 hour games for a 2000 point tournament? My games barely
>
> >>>> made it to round #5, and I place and play my army pretty fast. In
>
> >>>> round #3, I played against an Ultramarine army that held his
> >>>> whole army in reserve till the bottom of turn #2 and we still
> >>>> only got in 2 turns. Smart_Alex brought horde orks, and he only
>
> >>>> got in 3 turns for the most part. For the GW GTs they give you
> >>>> 2.5 hours for 1750 points and even then it is dicey for some
> >>>> armies.
> >>>>
> >>>> #2. The tables
> >>>> The tables were on knee level. I am 6’4” and trying to check
> >>>> “true-line-of-sight” was a major pain. Not only that, but to bend
>
> >>>> over and move your models was an issue. The tables were so low
> >>>> that you could not slide your chair under the table and you had
>
> >>>> to sit sideways because there was no room in the isles. Between
>
> >>>> sitting and turning sideways to see the table, bending over to
> >>>> move models, and bending way down to check LOS, my back was
> >>>> killing me after day one. I should have listened to it when it
> >>>> told me to stay home on day 2.
> >>>>
> >>>> #3. The crowding
> >>>> The tables were packed in like sardines. There was no room to
> >>>> move, or to get by anyone. If you had a table that was against
> >>>> the wall, the person who had his back to the wall could not move.
>
> >>>> The irony is that there were over 30 40k players in a smaller
> >>>> room, and 14 fantasy players in a larger room. At least they
> >>>> could have done is move some of the 40k player to the fantasy
> room.
> >>>>
> >>>> #4. The orginizers
> >>>> They have a web page that was never updated. The link to their
> >>>> forum takes you to the 2008 broadside bash forum instead of the
>
> >>>> 2009 forum. Not that it would do you any good because the
> >>>> organizers never answered questions there. Also most of the links
>
> >>>> on the web page just said “coming soon”.
> >>>>
> >>>> #5. Orginizers part 2
> >>>> There was an armored company list there. Really? Armored company?
>
> >>>> All of the non-codex lists are banned from any event where the
> >>>> orginizers know what they are doing. The reason why is that none
>
> >>>> of the other lists have been updated to make them 5th edition
> >>>> compatible. I ended up in an argument with some people that were
>
> >>>> there saying that all of the sub-lists were legal.
> >>>>
> >>>> #6. Orginizers #3.
> >>>> The initial pairings where done by comp score. Good luck finding
>
> >>>> what your comp score was, or how it was derived.
> >>>>
> >>>> Russ B. did end up with a well deserved win with his well painted
>
> >>>> Black Templar army. I will post my bat rep of our game in the
> >>>> next day or two.
> >>>>
> >>>> All-in-all it was a waste to pay $65 and to drive 6 hours for
> >>>> that level of professionalism. I expected more and I was very
> >>>> disappointed. All I can do is vote with my wallet and not show up
>
> >>>> next year.
> >>>>
> >> 2nd review:
> >>>>
> >>>> Well i've been saying the same thing over in our battle report
> >>>> that you wrote up. Couple of my issues
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) I'm pretty sure they called one game in 1 hour 45 minutes
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) Seconding communication. It's been 2 weeks and the results
> >>>> still aren't on their website.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) They don't answer email or in person questions in any
> >>>> reasonable form. It was like pulling teeth for Allan and I to get
>
> >>>> our comp scores and even then they just shrugged off the
> >>>> ridiculous scores we got.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4) There were only 31 people in the 40k tournement. Way to small
>
> >>>> which shows that not updating your site or responding to
> >>>> questions probably seriously hampered attendance.
> >>>>
> >>>> 5) The organizers failed to mention that the parking structure
> >>>> was under construction and that we would have to park at least a
>
> >>>> block away (the distance wasn't a big deal, it was the fact that
>
> >>>> you didn't know about it till you pulled up)
> >>>>
> >>>> 6) Nothing, and I mean nothing, started at the time it was
> >>>> scheduled. This is probably the reason they kept cutting every
> >>>> round short.
> >>>>
> >>>> 7) The tables made my back hurt and i only weigh about 190 and
> >>>> 5'8". I felt bad for guys like Allan and my buddy who is also
> >>>> 6'4" who had to bend and contort to see. What's worse is with a
>
> >>>> little bit of work those tables raise up easily. My buddy uses
> >>>> them for work all the time.
> >>>>
> >>>> 8) The tank company thing was ridiculous. They let him play since
>
> >>>> he drove from modesto but really there are rules for a reason.
> >>>>
> >>>> 9) Second the cramped quarters, apparently the hotel had booked a
>
> >>>> second convention for the same weekend (at least that's what I
> >>>> heard from a retailer there)
> >>>>
> >>>> 10) They weren't consistant on the scoring rules. They handed out
>
> >>>> the GT scenarios which had a set scoring but then "announced"
> >>>> that it was only 7-10-15 scores with bonuses possible. By
> >>>> annouced I mean attempted to yell it in a hall packed with 30
> >>>> guys all trying to set up armies for their first game.
> >>>>
> >>>> 11) I really felt bad for the fantasy guys who had like 15 people
>
> >>>> show up to play in the tourney.
> >>>>
> >>>> 12) Basically it's a tournement that unless they make huge
> >>>> strides next year that I don't think will be around. Good thing
>
> >>>> the SCGWL is running one for us too.
> >>>>
> >>>> I was horribly irritated at the professionalism.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> Guys this isn’t good.
> >>
> >> Dakkadakka is a widely read site for 40k/GW players!!
> >>
> >> Robyn
> >>
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