[Deptheads] Hotel poll

Sat Sep 26 12:34:13 PDT 2009

Alot of people were happy to leave westin because
1. they sold one of our dates out from under us
2. they had sold some of our space at times
3. No parking after 11 am saturday
4. rennovations and juggling us around

So when we left there we could have moved into any hotel that had parking and people would be happier. "The grass is always greener on the other side".

After the new car (hotel) smell wore off we looked around and had the same issues plus others---
lost parking, had a date sold from under us that we volunteeered to move for, elevator issues and construction, clueless hotel staff, spaces we could use in the hotel taken from us, and now the hotel is going thru bankruptcy.

Our attendees have been thru alot and their patience is past the breaking point.
I don't care if orccon, gamex and gateway have seperate hotels each or we get 1 location for everything as usual as long as we have stability and become a reliable convention with parking, We have promised that for too long and not delivered. 

V

--- On Sat, 9/26/09, Evil5757 at aol.com <Evil5757 at aol.com> wrote:

From: Evil5757 at aol.com <Evil5757 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Deptheads] Hotel poll
To: deptheads at strategicon.net
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 12:35 PM

Just to answer Joe's questions:

One of the primary reasons we left the Westin was because of the lack of parking...we had run out of parking by EARLY Saturday morning because of the airport parking. If this has been cleared up, point for Westin.

Second reason we left was because of the staff that was helping us not getting things right, but the main problem child with that is now gone.

Third reason we left was the Dealer's Room situation which Janice can explain much better than I can.

Lastly, I remember when we first moved to the Radisson how people were SOOO much happier (until the parking problem) because the Westin problems DID make a big difference..

John

In a message dated 9/25/2009 11:17:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, redstar918 at gmail.com writes:
First off, I'd want to know why we left the Westin in the first place. >From the stories I hear of people who attended the con while it was at teh Westin, the place sounded perfect.

Second, if you say "parking can be addressed" does that mean that the structure will be finished? Because to be quite frank, I do not believe we can have this con at the Radison unless the parking lot is finished. I think the parking lot being finished would be the only real way that the parking issue can be addressed, all other methods just keep coming up with headaches and troubles for attendees.

I'm thinking of putting my vote in for b, even though it would mean less RPGs. Board gaming is keeping the con going, but every PolyConner, and really, OtherConner I talk to about Stratigecon, one thing they always mention is the lack of RPGs, and the unorganized nature of the RPGs that do exist.

But, frankly, I'm really going to stick my vote where we have the most solid parking plan. Even the 700 spaces contracted to the hotel doesn't persuade me, because con goers, whether staying at the hotel or not, have to pay for those spaces.

And, honestly, the Raddison layout with all of the game scattered around the con even feels like crap. We cuold do better going back to the Sheraton as far as layout is concerened. And Stratigicon always seemed to neef to do better at maps*/

Oh the ranting.

-Joe Eder

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Eric M. Aldrich I <ealdrich at apple.com> wrote:

Reply to me privately on this -- I don't want a discussion (yet). If you had to pick from the following, which would you choose?

For May:
a) Stay at the Radisson assuming the parking can be addressed.
b) go back to the Westin but with only half the RPG rooms (no guest rooms converted -- meeting rooms only) but with $99 rooms (single to quad) and parking covered for all guests of the hotel. Also, allegedly it no longer does airport parking and the second floor has been renovated.
c) go back to the Sheraton with Parking as is (it's better than we thought -- 700 spaces in the lot to the North contracted to the hotel), $99+ rooms ($99 single, double; $119 triple; $139 quad) and parking not covered for guests of the hotel.

This is *not* theoretical as we now have some concrete offers in hand.

For now this is a poll. I want to know your thoughts individually on this first. We will have a discussion, but I want your original thoughts as untainted by said discussion as I can get them at the beginning.

Assume in February we will still be at the Radisson. No one has that date except the Hilton Long Beach and they don't have the space.

Again, when you hit reply make sure it goes to me and not the list.

Eric

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