[Deptheads] GATEWAY DOES:

[Eric Burgess]

Did someone suggest a steeply discounted 'miniature events-only' badge
marketed to the HMGS folks? We could enforce it heavily or not. Undercut
them on price and providing more - that's how the big guy squashes the bugs.

...ERB
www.boardgamebabylon.com
www.strategicon.net


On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:00 AM, <mhyman at xcomwireless.net> wrote:

>
> My only comment regarding the badge exchange idea, is that it should NOT be
> less expensive to go pay for their con badge and then convert to ours.
> It's not really in our best interest to encourage someone to check out the
> other con and even save money to do so.  But letting them convert by paying
> less than our full amount is fine with me, but it shouldn't be the same
> price or at a discount for total overall price.
>
>
> Mark.
>
>
> On Mon Jul 18 15:55 , Victor B ** sent:
>
> **
>
> **
> I agree that every staff person should help to strengthen other teams and
> promote our convention as a hole. We succeed or fail as a team.
>
> We should not imply that HMGS/PSW is being "forced" to attend smackdown nor
> should anyone working smackdown be trying to get their attendees to leave
> and go to gateway.
> Anyone volunteering or staffing our convention should not be telling
> attendees to leave for another convention that is going on at the same time
> as ours. That is bad form for the person doing it, the group they represent,
> and the con they are sending people to. So we shouldn't do it or advise
> others to do it. Let smackdown suck on their own.
>
> HMGS is their own group- not a strategicon group. HMGS/PSW is a chapter of
> the organization. I was a member of HMGS-East and attend cold wars and
> Historicon.
> HMGS/PSW is doing the right thing- they do 2 strategicons and 1 socal
> smackdown. They aren't taking sides this way. If we were once a year like
> smackdown and on the same date they would have to choose who to support.
> Since we are 3 times a year we cannot expect every group, company,
> designer, etc. to commit to us 3 times a year forsaking all others. We have
> several companies, groups, etc. that commit to our con 1 to 2 times a year
> and do other cons or events the other 1 or 2 times. That is fair. We took
> all 3 four day holiday weekends and we are going to have more competing cons
> next year and 2013. Los Angeles comic con is 3 weeks after gateway.
> If it succeeds it will move to labor day weekend. Other cons fight to
> secure their weekend- we fight to protect 3 weekends during a 9 month
> stretch of the year. We cannot get upset when groups and companies have to
> be unbiased. Especially when it happens all the time in may with kubla
> already. Appreciate what HMGS/PSW has done for strategicon, be happy for the
> cons they do attend of ours, happy they will have a  crew of HMGS/PSW at
> gateway, and happy Frank joined our staff and will keep the miniatures area
> on track and growing. Hurray Frank.
>
> We should succeed on our own merits and smackdown can fail on it's own. We
> don't need to be sneaky or underhanded about it. If we work hard and put on
> a great overall show then world of mouth will reach smackdown attendees.
> Podcasts, blogs, live feeds, updates via twitter, etc. Social media showing
> the great time people are having at our con.
>
> We should advertise what WE offer before the con, and let our attendees and
> social media do the talking for us during the con. Smackdown not going away
> anytime soon. They learned from last year and have some industry people
> on-board for this one, some good volunteers, good support, and they will be
> better and continue to get better. We just have to continue to get better
> too. And if we don't work together to keep miniatures growing socal
> smackdown WILL be the miniatures con and if so they will bleed off rpgers,
> ccgers, vendors, and boardgamers as well. And they will grow those other
> depts. too. They are in no hurry.
>
> Btw...the "Bring your Smackdown 2010 badge to Orccon for a $10 full
> weekend badge" is a great idea if implemented right.
>
> 1.  I don't think they are going to let us have flyers at their con for it
> . Would we let them have flyers at our con to get a full badge to smackdown
> for 5 dollars if you present you gateway badge? If we did it they would
> say ok but we get the same from you.
> 2. Our 4 day badge is $50 or $40 pre-reg. Their weekend badge is $25.
> If I lived in orange county I would buy a smackdown badge ($20 for 1 day or
> $25 for weekend) and then go to strategicon for $10. That is both cons for
> $30. That is better than just paying for strategicon pre-reg.
> Our sat/sun 1 day badges are $25 and fri/mon are $10. Make the smackdown
> badge exchange $15 or $20 for a full badge.  This rewards people with the
> opportunity to try both cons but prevents abuse.
> We can advertise that on social media thursday thru sunday of the con.
>
>
> V
>
> ------------------------------
> From: "Evil5757 at aol.com" **
>  To: deptheads at strategicon.net
> Sent: Mon, July 18, 2011 11:46:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] GATEWAY DOES:
> **
>
>  Everyone,
>
> I have seen this time and time again in different areas where an
> established convention is challenged by a new convention. The new convention
> has to take things away from the established convention (like events and
> people) or it won't succeed. This is exactly what Smackdown is trying to do,
> and they are doing it through our Miniatures department because it has been
> our weakest area the past 5 years.
>
> The way we win is to strengthen our Miniatures department, and part of that
> is EVERYONE (no matter what department) contributing what they can to help
> the department under attack.
>
> The way we lose is infighting and ANYONE taking a "It's not my department"
> attitude.
>
> I do not like that fact that HMGS is basically being forced to bring events
> to Smackdown instead of a full force gathering here like last year. But it's
> happening, so look at the bright side:
>
> a. We will have reliable people over there to count the dozens of people in
> attendance.
>
> b. We will have first hand accounts of what they are trying to do so we can
> anticipate their next move and counter it.
>
> c. We will have people there who are NOT Strategicon staff telling everyone
> at Smackdown how much better Gateway is.
>
> d. The HMGS people who go to Smackdown will have a greater appreciation for
> how we do things when they show up for Orccon.
>
> e. The HMGS people at Smackdown will be able to give US some fresh eyes and
> give us some suggestions for improvement we might not have thought of yet.
>
> Bill and Harmon - all I ask is that the HMGS members who go to Smackdown
> give their honest opinions when talking to Smackdown attendees. We have a
> better product - I know it and you know it. What we need is for brainwashed
> Smackdown attendees to be told the truth so they can see through the lies
> they have been told and make their own decision.
>
> Eric, Tim, and Chris - I still think we should have a "Bring your Smackdown
> 2010 badge to Orccon for a $10 full weekend badge" flyer distributed at
> Smackdown so people can compare for themselves. We Win.
>
> John
>
>
>  In a message dated 7/17/2011 11:49:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> Tim at stugiii.com writes:
>
> Bill,
>
> No one is arguing or discounting the contribution that HMGS/PSW made to
> Strategicon, nor the contribution that Strategicon made to HMGS/PSW.  Robyn
> is obviously upset about HMGS/PSW supporting Smackdown in September. Just as
> some of the HMGS/PSW members are upset about it.
>
> We decided to stay out of the internal politics of HMGS/PSW; the debate
> about SoCal Smackdown as well as the vote.  The reason we asked you to not
> publish that email Bill is we didn't want to become distracted by an email
> debate to no purpose.  The decision had been made and we have other things
> to focus on.
>
> Bill, Robyn and everyone, there is little to be gained in continuing this
> so lets drop it.
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 7/17/2011 10:59 PM, Bill Witthans wrote:
>
>  Hmmmm,
>
>
>
> Very strange view Robyn, "HMGS kicked us in the ass this year and didn’t
> even give us a kiss" really? How so?
>
>
>
>
>
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