[Deptheads] GATEWAY DOES:

Tue Jul 19 11:48:05 PDT 2011

Yep - I was proposing an alternative to that...just in my own confusing
language ;)

...ERB
www.boardgamebabylon.com
www.strategicon.net

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Dean Taylor <deanatay at gmail.com> wrote:

> Eric: The proposal was to steeply discount their Gateway badge if they
> brought in their Smackdown badge.  This would encourage Smackdown attendees
> to attend our con, and find out how much better it is.
>
> -Dean
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Eric Burgess <erburgess at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Did someone suggest a steeply discounted 'miniature events-only' badge
>> marketed to the HMGS folks? We could enforce it heavily or not. Undercut
>> them on price and providing more - that's how the big guy squashes the bugs.
>>
>> ...ERB
>> www.boardgamebabylon.com
>> www.strategicon.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:00 AM, <mhyman at xcomwireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> My only comment regarding the badge exchange idea, is that it should NOT
>>> be less expensive to go pay for their con badge and then convert to ours.
>>> It's not really in our best interest to encourage someone to check out the
>>> other con and even save money to do so.  But letting them convert by paying
>>> less than our full amount is fine with me, but it shouldn't be the same
>>> price or at a discount for total overall price.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon Jul 18 15:55 , Victor B ** sent:
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> **
>>> I agree that every staff person should help to strengthen other teams and
>>> promote our convention as a hole. We succeed or fail as a team.
>>>
>>> We should not imply that HMGS/PSW is being "forced" to attend smackdown
>>> nor should anyone working smackdown be trying to get their attendees to
>>> leave and go to gateway.
>>> Anyone volunteering or staffing our convention should not be telling
>>> attendees to leave for another convention that is going on at the same time
>>> as ours. That is bad form for the person doing it, the group they represent,
>>> and the con they are sending people to. So we shouldn't do it or advise
>>> others to do it. Let smackdown suck on their own.
>>>
>>> HMGS is their own group- not a strategicon group. HMGS/PSW is a chapter
>>> of the organization. I was a member of HMGS-East and attend cold wars and
>>> Historicon.
>>> HMGS/PSW is doing the right thing- they do 2 strategicons and 1 socal
>>> smackdown. They aren't taking sides this way. If we were once a year like
>>> smackdown and on the same date they would have to choose who to support.
>>> Since we are 3 times a year we cannot expect every group, company,
>>> designer, etc. to commit to us 3 times a year forsaking all others. We have
>>> several companies, groups, etc. that commit to our con 1 to 2 times a year
>>> and do other cons or events the other 1 or 2 times. That is fair. We took
>>> all 3 four day holiday weekends and we are going to have more competing cons
>>> next year and 2013. Los Angeles comic con is 3 weeks after gateway.
>>> If it succeeds it will move to labor day weekend. Other cons fight to
>>> secure their weekend- we fight to protect 3 weekends during a 9 month
>>> stretch of the year. We cannot get upset when groups and companies have to
>>> be unbiased. Especially when it happens all the time in may with kubla
>>> already. Appreciate what HMGS/PSW has done for strategicon, be happy for the
>>> cons they do attend of ours, happy they will have a  crew of HMGS/PSW at
>>> gateway, and happy Frank joined our staff and will keep the miniatures area
>>> on track and growing. Hurray Frank.
>>>
>>> We should succeed on our own merits and smackdown can fail on it's own.
>>> We don't need to be sneaky or underhanded about it. If we work hard and put
>>> on a great overall show then world of mouth will reach smackdown attendees.
>>> Podcasts, blogs, live feeds, updates via twitter, etc. Social media
>>> showing the great time people are having at our con.
>>>
>>> We should advertise what WE offer before the con, and let our attendees
>>> and social media do the talking for us during the con. Smackdown not going
>>> away anytime soon. They learned from last year and have some industry people
>>> on-board for this one, some good volunteers, good support, and they will be
>>> better and continue to get better. We just have to continue to get better
>>> too. And if we don't work together to keep miniatures growing socal
>>> smackdown WILL be the miniatures con and if so they will bleed off rpgers,
>>> ccgers, vendors, and boardgamers as well. And they will grow those other
>>> depts. too. They are in no hurry.
>>>
>>> Btw...the "Bring your Smackdown 2010 badge to Orccon for a $10 full
>>> weekend badge" is a great idea if implemented right.
>>>
>>> 1.  I don't think they are going to let us have flyers at their con for
>>> it . Would we let them have flyers at our con to get a full badge to
>>> smackdown for 5 dollars if you present you gateway badge? If we did it
>>> they would say ok but we get the same from you.
>>> 2. Our 4 day badge is $50 or $40 pre-reg. Their weekend badge is $25.
>>> If I lived in orange county I would buy a smackdown badge ($20 for 1 day
>>> or $25 for weekend) and then go to strategicon for $10. That is both cons
>>> for $30. That is better than just paying for strategicon pre-reg.
>>> Our sat/sun 1 day badges are $25 and fri/mon are $10. Make the smackdown
>>> badge exchange $15 or $20 for a full badge.  This rewards people with the
>>> opportunity to try both cons but prevents abuse.
>>> We can advertise that on social media thursday thru sunday of the con.
>>>
>>>
>>> V
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: "Evil5757 at aol.com" **
>>>  To: deptheads at strategicon.net
>>> Sent: Mon, July 18, 2011 11:46:51 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] GATEWAY DOES:
>>> **
>>>
>>>  Everyone,
>>>
>>> I have seen this time and time again in different areas where an
>>> established convention is challenged by a new convention. The new convention
>>> has to take things away from the established convention (like events and
>>> people) or it won't succeed. This is exactly what Smackdown is trying to do,
>>> and they are doing it through our Miniatures department because it has been
>>> our weakest area the past 5 years.
>>>
>>> The way we win is to strengthen our Miniatures department, and part of
>>> that is EVERYONE (no matter what department) contributing what they can
>>> to help the department under attack.
>>>
>>> The way we lose is infighting and ANYONE taking a "It's not my
>>> department" attitude.
>>>
>>> I do not like that fact that HMGS is basically being forced to bring
>>> events to Smackdown instead of a full force gathering here like last year.
>>> But it's happening, so look at the bright side:
>>>
>>> a. We will have reliable people over there to count the dozens of people
>>> in attendance.
>>>
>>> b. We will have first hand accounts of what they are trying to do so we
>>> can anticipate their next move and counter it.
>>>
>>> c. We will have people there who are NOT Strategicon staff telling
>>> everyone at Smackdown how much better Gateway is.
>>>
>>> d. The HMGS people who go to Smackdown will have a greater appreciation
>>> for how we do things when they show up for Orccon.
>>>
>>> e. The HMGS people at Smackdown will be able to give US some fresh eyes
>>> and give us some suggestions for improvement we might not have thought of
>>> yet.
>>>
>>> Bill and Harmon - all I ask is that the HMGS members who go to Smackdown
>>> give their honest opinions when talking to Smackdown attendees. We have a
>>> better product - I know it and you know it. What we need is for brainwashed
>>> Smackdown attendees to be told the truth so they can see through the lies
>>> they have been told and make their own decision.
>>>
>>> Eric, Tim, and Chris - I still think we should have a "Bring your
>>> Smackdown 2010 badge to Orccon for a $10 full weekend badge" flyer
>>> distributed at Smackdown so people can compare for themselves. We Win.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>  In a message dated 7/17/2011 11:49:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> Tim at stugiii.com writes:
>>>
>>> Bill,
>>>
>>> No one is arguing or discounting the contribution that HMGS/PSW made to
>>> Strategicon, nor the contribution that Strategicon made to HMGS/PSW.  Robyn
>>> is obviously upset about HMGS/PSW supporting Smackdown in September. Just as
>>> some of the HMGS/PSW members are upset about it.
>>>
>>> We decided to stay out of the internal politics of HMGS/PSW; the debate
>>> about SoCal Smackdown as well as the vote.  The reason we asked you to not
>>> publish that email Bill is we didn't want to become distracted by an email
>>> debate to no purpose.  The decision had been made and we have other things
>>> to focus on.
>>>
>>> Bill, Robyn and everyone, there is little to be gained in continuing this
>>> so lets drop it.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/17/2011 10:59 PM, Bill Witthans wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hmmmm,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very strange view Robyn, "HMGS kicked us in the ass this year and
>>> didnâ€™t even give us a kiss" really? How so?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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