[Deptheads] GATEWAY DOES:
tracy fryer
fabric_goddess at yahoo.com
Tue Jul 19 14:33:43 PDT 2011
Hello Gentlemen,
I just thought I'd point out that we have been giving any HMGS members with a current valid ID $10.00 admission to the con for the last few cons. I was told this was to try to get HMGS members to come back and try out Strategicon again. Just an FYI.
Tracy
--- On Tue, 7/19/11, Tim <Tim at stugiii.com> wrote:
From: Tim <Tim at stugiii.com>
Subject: Re: [Deptheads] GATEWAY DOES:
To: deptheads at strategicon.net
Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2011, 12:21 PM
Eric B.,
First off, I like your bug squashing analogy. Second, not a bad
idea. I wonder what would happen if we offered miniatures only
badges for $5 for HMGS members? for Gateway. The downside to this
is sort of a minor victory for the Smackdown folks cause we are
obviously competing with them officially.
Good idea though...
Tim
On 7/19/2011 11:04 AM, Eric Burgess wrote:
Did someone suggest a steeply discounted 'miniature
events-only' badge marketed to the HMGS folks? We could enforce
it heavily or not. Undercut them on price and providing more -
that's how the big guy squashes the bugs.
...ERB
www.boardgamebabylon.com
www.strategicon.net
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:00 AM, <mhyman at xcomwireless.net>
wrote:
My only comment regarding the badge exchange idea, is
that it should NOT be less expensive to go pay for their
con badge and then convert to ours. It's not really in
our best interest to encourage someone to check out the
other con and even save money to do so. But letting
them convert by paying less than our full amount is fine
with me, but it shouldn't be the same price or at a
discount for total overall price.
Mark.
On Mon Jul 18 15:55 ,
Victor B sent:
I agree that every staff person should help
to strengthen other teams and promote our
convention as a hole. We succeed or fail as a
team.
We should not imply that HMGS/PSW is being
"forced" to attend smackdown nor should anyone
working smackdown be trying to get their
attendees to leave and go to gateway.
Anyone volunteering or staffing our convention
should not be telling attendees to leave for
another convention that is going on at the same
time as ours. That is bad form for the person
doing it, the group they represent, and the con
they are sending people to. So we shouldn't do
it or advise others to do it. Let smackdown suck
on their own.
HMGS is their own group- not a strategicon
group. HMGS/PSW is a chapter of the
organization. I was a member of HMGS-East and
attend cold wars and Historicon.
HMGS/PSW is doing the right thing- they do 2
strategicons and 1 socal smackdown. They aren't
taking sides this way. If we were once a year
like smackdown and on the same date they would
have to choose who to support.
Since we are 3 times a year we cannot expect
every group, company, designer, etc. to commit
to us 3 times a year forsaking all others. We
have several companies, groups, etc. that commit
to our con 1 to 2 times a year
and do other cons or events the other 1 or 2
times. That is fair. We took all 3 four day
holiday weekends and we are going to have more
competing cons next year and 2013. Los Angeles
comic con is 3 weeks after gateway.
If it succeeds it will move to labor day
weekend. Other cons fight to secure their
weekend- we fight to protect 3 weekends during a
9 month stretch of the year. We cannot get upset
when groups and companies have to be unbiased.
Especially when it happens all the time in may
with kubla already. Appreciate what HMGS/PSW has
done for strategicon, be happy for the cons they
do attend of ours, happy they will have a crew
of HMGS/PSW at gateway, and happy Frank joined
our staff and will keep the miniatures area on
track and growing. Hurray Frank.
We should succeed on our own merits and
smackdown can fail on it's own. We don't need to
be sneaky or underhanded about it. If we work
hard and put on a great overall show then world
of mouth will reach smackdown attendees.
Podcasts, blogs, live feeds, updates via
twitter, etc. Social media showing the great
time people are having at our con.
We should advertise what WE offer before the
con, and let our attendees and social media do
the talking for us during the con. Smackdown not
going away anytime soon. They learned from last
year and have some industry people on-board for
this one, some good volunteers, good support,
and they will be better and continue to get
better. We just have to continue to get better
too. And if we don't work together to keep
miniatures growing socal smackdown WILL be the
miniatures con and if so they will bleed off
rpgers, ccgers, vendors, and boardgamers as
well. And they will grow those other depts. too.
They are in no hurry.
Btw...the "Bring your Smackdown
2010 badge to Orccon for a $10 full weekend
badge" is a great idea if implemented right.
1. I don't think they are going to let us
have flyers at their con for it . Would we let
them have flyers at our con to get a full
badge to smackdown for 5 dollars if you
present you gateway badge? If we did it
they would say ok but we get the same from you.
2. Our 4 day badge is $50 or $40 pre-reg. Their
weekend badge is $25.
If I lived in orange county I would buy a
smackdown badge ($20 for 1 day or $25 for
weekend) and then go to strategicon for $10.
That is both cons for $30. That is better than
just paying for strategicon pre-reg.
Our sat/sun 1 day badges are $25 and fri/mon are
$10. Make the smackdown badge exchange $15 or
$20 for a full badge. This rewards people with
the opportunity to try both cons but prevents
abuse.
We can advertise that on social media thursday
thru sunday of the con.
V
From:
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To:
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Sent:
Mon, July 18, 2011 11:46:51 AM
Subject:
Re: [Deptheads] GATEWAY DOES:
Everyone,
I have seen this time and time again in
different areas where an established
convention is challenged by a new
convention. The new convention has to take
things away from the established
convention (like events and people) or it
won't succeed. This is exactly what
Smackdown is trying to do, and they are
doing it through our Miniatures department
because it has been our weakest area the
past 5 years.
The way we win is to strengthen our
Miniatures department, and part of that is
EVERYONE
(no matter what department)
contributing what they can to help the
department under attack.
The way we lose is infighting and
ANYONE taking a "It's not my department"
attitude.
I do not like that fact that HMGS is
basically being forced to bring events to
Smackdown instead of a full force
gathering here like last year. But it's
happening, so look at the bright side:
a. We will have reliable people over
there to count the dozens of people in
attendance.
b. We will have first hand accounts of
what they are trying to do so we can
anticipate their next move and counter it.
c. We will have people there who are
NOT Strategicon staff telling everyone at
Smackdown how much better Gateway is.
d. The HMGS people who go to Smackdown
will have a greater appreciation for how
we do things when they show up for Orccon.
e. The HMGS people at Smackdown will be
able to give US some fresh eyes and give
us some suggestions for improvement we
might not have thought of yet.
Bill and Harmon - all I ask is that the
HMGS members who go to Smackdown give
their honest opinions when talking to
Smackdown attendees. We have a better
product - I know it and you know it. What
we need is for brainwashed Smackdown
attendees to be told the truth so they can
see through the lies they have been told
and make their own decision.
Eric, Tim, and Chris - I still think we
should have a "Bring your Smackdown
2010 badge to Orccon for a $10 full
weekend badge" flyer distributed at
Smackdown so people can compare for
themselves. We Win.
John
In a message dated 7/17/2011 11:49:41
P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Tim at stugiii.com
writes:
Bill,
No one is arguing or discounting the
contribution that HMGS/PSW made to
Strategicon, nor the contribution that
Strategicon made to HMGS/PSW. Robyn
is obviously upset about HMGS/PSW
supporting Smackdown in September.
Just as some of the HMGS/PSW members
are upset about it.
We decided to stay out of the internal
politics of HMGS/PSW; the debate about
SoCal Smackdown as well as the vote.
The reason we asked you to not publish
that email Bill is we didn't want to
become distracted by an email debate
to no purpose. The decision had been
made and we have other things to focus
on.
Bill, Robyn and everyone, there is
little to be gained in continuing this
so lets drop it.
Tim
On 7/17/2011 10:59 PM, Bill Witthans
wrote:
Hmmmm,
Very
strange view Robyn, "HMGS kicked
us in the ass this year and
didn’t even give us a kiss"
really? How so?
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