<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Hi Eric,<div><br></div><div>I’m confused. Tanya was asking me to change the primary type to other departments for ALL of my games, which is why I was feeling like I was giving my 56 events to the other departments. My events were already cross listed and had me as host as well. </div><div><br></div><div>But we don’t have to do anything? Is it fine to keep my primary type as ING just as is? I just want some clarification. <br><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 16, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Strategicon Department Heads <deptheads@strategicon.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Message From: Eric Aldrich ealdrich@mac.com</span><br><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Another way to think of this is in comp-sci terms -- we're going from a 1D array structure to a 2D array structure for handling departments and games.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 16, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Message From: Eric Aldrich <a href="mailto:ealdrich@mac.com" class="">ealdrich@mac.com</a><br class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Don't read too much into types versus classifications. Our goal is as broad as possible types, boiling things to the basics. Demos, playtests, prototypes, etc. will still be handled in a unique fashion, but we are going to get rid of a lot of pigeon holing. This will affect basically every department. The idea is to decouple type from department. Departments become hosts.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Why now? Because I have to rewrite all the code that generates this stuff for the virtual conbook right now, and I want the system to be far more flexible than it currently is, as it's a nightmare under the hood. e.g. We have some board games hosted in Collectibles because that's where we had to put them due to space requirements. I want a much cleaner way to reflect this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, it's easier when the rooms are all "Virtual" -- one less variable.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But let me reiterate, no one is having anything taken away from them. No one is going to have to do any extra work (except me). It's mostly a data organization issue.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric</div><div class=""> <br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Message From: Angelica Magno <a href="mailto:angelicamagno.ing@gmail.com" class="">angelicamagno.ing@gmail.com</a><br class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Tanya,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All due respect, I just don’t see how ING is not a type. Prototypes/Playtests as far as I’m concerned are a type of game. They are all games that are not ready and not in stores. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m not seeing the correlation between PFS/AL and ING. From what I understand of PFS they are a group, but are like a subset and share a type with RPGs. I don’t feel that is how my department is at all. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">While you’re saying that ING is a host only, the real discussion here is if a prototype is a type of game or not. I would have to say it is. I had already made sure to cross list all my games prior to asking if my department could be added to the search and add ING to the host department. The only change I would have had to make was essentially giving my events to all the other departments. I think, too, that would be confusing to attendees who come specifically for prototypes. Or people who find my games listed under board games and go to the board games department and do not see the game they’re looking for. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In other cons, prototypes are celebrated and are recognized as a separate type. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In any case, could we please come back to this discussion after virtual con? It’s in less than a week and I’m still working on the discord, the charity raffle, and helping my GMs. </div><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On May 15, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="">Message From: Tanya Aldrich <a href="mailto:taldrich@strategicon.net" class="">taldrich@strategicon.net</a></span><br class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class="">Moving this discussion to a new Subject, as it has nothing to do with waitlists.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your description makes ING a host. Just because some game types are also department hosts does not change the fact ING is not a game type.</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">As soon as I have the time, I will be adding a Host list to the search criteria. At that point ING, Pathfinder, Adventurers’ League, Family Area, etc will be placed there. These are groups or departments that aren’t game types.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Eric and I have been discussing this on and off. There are plans to explicitly separate game type from host. GM host options will be determined by game type. For example, RPG game type will have the host options of RPGs, Pathfinder, Adventurers’ League, Family Area. Miniatures will have Miniatures and Family Area. Only admins (department heads, etc) will have access to all hosts for the purpose of moving events to a different host department.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">That said, ING is a gaming group/department like Pathfinder. If they are to remain the primary at least for this con, I need to figure out how to set the secondary type as the color. Will work on this.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tanya</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 15, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Message From: Mike James <a href="mailto:minis.tyrant@gmail.com" class="">minis.tyrant@gmail.com</a><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Ing should be primary. It’s their stuff, their GMs, their recruiting, and if we were playing in meatspace, it would be in their room. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Mike</div></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:53 PM Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Message From: Tanya Aldrich <a href="mailto:taldrich@strategicon.net" target="_blank" class="">taldrich@strategicon.net</a><br class=""> <div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Hi Angelica,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I understand your concern.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The host has the edit access. If no host is defined, then primary as the default host has edit access. That’s where your problem came in. Your GMs have to list Indie as the primary, because they don’t have access to the host field. What you need to do is list Indie as host then switch Indie to secondary. It can be done in one edit, but setting the host lets you move to secondary and still retain edit access.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Playtest is a classification like Tournament or Demo. Type is Board, CCG, Mini, RPG, etc. That reminds me, I need to add Playtest to the classification filter. I keep forgetting to do so. :)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tanya</div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 14, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">Message From: Angelica Magno <a href="mailto:angelicamagno.ing@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">angelicamagno.ing@gmail.com</a><br class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Hi Tanya,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To answer your question on discord, I can make the changes, and swap the secondary and primary. My only concern is, will I have access to those games if changes need to be made? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I had an issue with some of my games being sent to a different department earlier because they were under a different primary type. Because they were in contact with me I understood what they needed and what changes needed to be made to their events (also being able to keep track and input it on my own schedules if changes do happen). </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">While I agree that my games vary and I am a location and host they all share the type of playtest only games. 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