<div><div><div dir="auto">I think you are splitting some very semantic hairs here Tanya. ING/Proto-Spiel applies to a specific kind of game, the new/unpublished/in-progress sort of game. Drawing a parallel to PFA or AL seems fairly ridiculous since there is no reason they shouldn’t be a primary either. Yes they are both RPGs, although PFS technically is 2 and a card game, but a very specific subset of RPGs built around a specific community and the support of a singular company. They don’t even use our system for pre-regs, relying on Warhorn for most of that. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Add in the fact that I have gotten a large number of requests for a proto-spiel area that was distinct from the regular gaming areas (since that’s the way it works pretty much everywhere else) because the community itself views these as a separate category, that we decided to make this it’s own department. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">ING needs to be its own distinct entity to properly serve that community and not be an obstacle to someone else’s department and paperwork. This is a destination for GMs and players alike, and should be regarded as such by our classifications. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">A third point, and my only use of the word that all of this seems to hinge upon, Prototype contains the word type. My thesaurus game is strong. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mike</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:36 AM Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Message From: Angelica Magno <a href="mailto:angelicamagno.ing@gmail.com" target="_blank">angelicamagno.ing@gmail.com</a><br>
<div dir="auto"><div>Tanya,</div><div><br></div><div>All due respect, I just don’t see how ING is not a type. Prototypes/Playtests as far as I’m concerned are a type of game. They are all games that are not ready and not in stores. </div><div><br></div><div>I’m not seeing the correlation between PFS/AL and ING. From what I understand of PFS they are a group, but are like a subset and share a type with RPGs. I don’t feel that is how my department is at all. </div><div><br></div><div>While you’re saying that ING is a host only, the real discussion here is if a prototype is a type of game or not. I would have to say it is. I had already made sure to cross list all my games prior to asking if my department could be added to the search and add ING to the host department. The only change I would have had to make was essentially giving my events to all the other departments. I think, too, that would be confusing to attendees who come specifically for prototypes. Or people who find my games listed under board games and go to the board games department and do not see the game they’re looking for. </div><div><br></div><div>In other cons, prototypes are celebrated and are recognized as a separate type. </div><div><br></div><div>In any case, could we please come back to this discussion after virtual con? It’s in less than a week and I’m still working on the discord, the charity raffle, and helping my GMs. </div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 15, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span>Message From: Tanya Aldrich <a href="mailto:taldrich@strategicon.net" target="_blank">taldrich@strategicon.net</a></span></div></blockquote></div><div dir="auto"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br>Moving this discussion to a new Subject, as it has nothing to do with waitlists.<div><br></div><div>Your description makes ING a host. Just because some game types are also department hosts does not change the fact ING is not a game type.</div><div><div><br></div><div><div>As soon as I have the time, I will be adding a Host list to the search criteria. At that point ING, Pathfinder, Adventurers’ League, Family Area, etc will be placed there. These are groups or departments that aren’t game types.</div><div><br></div><div>Eric and I have been discussing this on and off. There are plans to explicitly separate game type from host. GM host options will be determined by game type. For example, RPG game type will have the host options of RPGs, Pathfinder, Adventurers’ League, Family Area. Miniatures will have Miniatures and Family Area. Only admins (department heads, etc) will have access to all hosts for the purpose of moving events to a different host department.</div><div><br></div><div><div>That said, ING is a gaming group/department like Pathfinder. If they are to remain the primary at least for this con, I need to figure out how to set the secondary type as the color. Will work on this.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Tanya</div><div><br></div><div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 15, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>Message From: Mike James <a href="mailto:minis.tyrant@gmail.com" target="_blank">minis.tyrant@gmail.com</a><br><div><div dir="auto">Ing should be primary. It’s their stuff, their GMs, their recruiting, and if we were playing in meatspace, it would be in their room. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Mike</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:53 PM Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Message From: Tanya Aldrich <a href="mailto:taldrich@strategicon.net" target="_blank">taldrich@strategicon.net</a><br>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Angelica,<div><br></div><div>I understand your concern.</div><div><br></div><div>The host has the edit access. If no host is defined, then primary as the default host has edit access. That’s where your problem came in. Your GMs have to list Indie as the primary, because they don’t have access to the host field. What you need to do is list Indie as host then switch Indie to secondary. It can be done in one edit, but setting the host lets you move to secondary and still retain edit access.</div><div><br></div><div>Playtest is a classification like Tournament or Demo. Type is Board, CCG, Mini, RPG, etc. That reminds me, I need to add Playtest to the classification filter. I keep forgetting to do so. :)</div><div><br></div><div>Tanya</div></div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 14, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div>Message From: Angelica Magno <a href="mailto:angelicamagno.ing@gmail.com" target="_blank">angelicamagno.ing@gmail.com</a><br><div dir="auto"><div>Hi Tanya,</div><div><br></div><div>To answer your question on discord, I can make the changes, and swap the secondary and primary. My only concern is, will I have access to those games if changes need to be made? </div><div><br></div><div>I had an issue with some of my games being sent to a different department earlier because they were under a different primary type. Because they were in contact with me I understood what they needed and what changes needed to be made to their events (also being able to keep track and input it on my own schedules if changes do happen). </div><div><br></div><div>While I agree that my games vary and I am a location and host they all share the type of playtest only games. Does playtest not qualify as a type?</div><div><br></div><div>Angelica </div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________</div></div>Deptheads mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br><a href="https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads" target="_blank">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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