<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes and no.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A search on RPGs gets you all events that have an event type of RPG regardless of what department they are in. Also, if the RPG department is hosting a Video game, it would not display on an RPG search.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, if I want to see all Board Games that are hosted by Indie New Games, I filter on Board Games and Indie New Games and I only see those events that fit both requirements.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The only area it gets fuzzy is if you are looking for non-Board Games hosted by Board Games. It’s currently not possible. If this becomes an issue, I’ll just have to list all the event types in both the event type and host type list, since at present all event types happen to also be hosting departments. Only department that might really need it is RPGs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">None of this should affect how things are run behind the scenes, since all departmental control is through hosting now instead of event type.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Events on Discord, for example should be listed under the host not the event type.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Gotta get to bed. Busy day tomorrow.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tanya</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 29, 2020, at 12:45 AM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Message From: chris jones <a href="mailto:bardicbaughb@gmail.com" class="">bardicbaughb@gmail.com</a><br class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Ok question from the peanut gallery: We're just talking about Meta tags right? Not how things are actually organized or determining depts but how games can be searched? Why is it set up as "primary" and "secondary" in any public display? Shouldn't these just be search tags? Like the games still get listed by Dept by default right? This is just searching, like if I search for RPGs it would show anything from the main RPG dept and things like Adventurers League and PA? But it would still show those in their correct dept? Like we're not talking about resorting how games are assigned to a Dept just how they can be searched? So this is all back end tagging that won't be visible where it might cause confusion.<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I'll admit I'm not a software engineer so the technical details are not my area of expertise but it feels like a discussion about the technical means of sorting and searching for the site is somehow being conflated with a discussion about how the departments are organized (which seems like a horrible discussion to have on the eve of a con, virtual or otherwise)</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 11:19 PM Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Message From: Tanya Aldrich <a href="mailto:taldrich@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">taldrich@strategicon.net</a><br class=""> <div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">We will have to revisit the Prototype game type at a later date. I wouldn’t have a problem adding it to the classification list for Orccon.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tara’s last sentence is exactly why we started primary, secondary, and host types, so people could find things in places they wouldn’t normally look.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here’s where I come from. A Board Game Prototype is a unique type of board game. Do I go searching for Prototypes, not usually, but Board Games, yes. So, I might see the ING board game in a board game search and try it. All Board Games are not Prototypes and all Prototypes are not Board Games, but you can have a Prototype Board Game or a Board Game Prototype. Prototypes typically don’t stay as Prototypes, but if it’s a Board Game it is likely to stay a Board Game. The Event Type doesn't tend to change for a game. If it covers two types, the primary and secondary may switch, but they likely won’t change.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Classifications on the other hand are fluid.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think I’ve bored you with my view enough. The system may not be perfect, but we’re trying to help everyone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tanya</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 28, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">Message From: Tara Leederman <a href="mailto:taleederman@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">taleederman@gmail.com</a><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">ING is a host department, which may have any number of different game types. The search function needs to be useful to the attendees, and we need to think of it from that angle. People tend to search by game type. It's probably not a bad idea to have a Prototype secondary game type, and it may help attendees find the games they're looking for or get more information about the games they're looking at, but they won't all end up in ING. Lots of LARPs are Indy and new games, and many are untested, but ING is very much its own thing and it has particular affordances; it is a space to accommodate and showcase a very particular kind of game designer in a particular state of production, and can accommodate some kinds of games but not others. To help people find ING games, it is more useful to list them by game type--card game, board game, etc--to help people find the games they want to play. Having a secondary Prototypes game type isn't a bad idea, but we should always make sure to list the primary type correctly, because it's there to give attendees the best possible information when they search. Under this scheme, people searching for, say, "board games" are *more* likely to find ING, which is good for the ING department. I hope that's a helpful distinction.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tara</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:25 PM Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Message From: John Paiva <a href="mailto:evil5757@aol.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">evil5757@aol.com</a><br class=""> <div dir="auto" class=""> <div dir="auto" class="">Yeah! The definition of a department/group has been broken down to the point where I DID have a department!!</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Hong Kong Cavaliers Forever!!</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_1158424533417106897gmail-m_-8555154232523631104composer_signature" dir="auto" class="">The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand!</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" style="font-size:100%" class=""><div class="">-------- Original message --------</div><div class="">From: Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> </div><div class="">Date: 8/28/20 9:50 PM (GMT-08:00) </div><div class="">To: <a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a> </div><div class="">Subject: Re: [Deptheads] Event Group, Type, and Host clarifications </div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div>Mike,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I said, "Sub-groups and non-game-type groups”. Indie Games are definitely a non-game-type group, based on our definition of game types, as are Play To Win, and, well, Family Games. Family Games has potentially all event types, so obviously we have departments that aren’t sub-groups.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would consider Pathfinder Society and Adventurers’ League as sub-groups primarily of RPGs; but they can be sub-groups of any event type depending on the game being run.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I guess we could just call them all non-game-type groups since they all can potentially be associated with more than one type. Nowhere on the website am I aware of us using either term. They are host types.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tanya</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:20 PM, Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""><div class="">Message From: Mike James <a href="mailto:minis.tyrant@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">minis.tyrant@gmail.com</a><br class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Indie Games are a department. We had this discussion right before last con. They are not a sub group or a mixture of something else. Other than that, it all looks good. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Mike</div></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 6:09 PM Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Message From: Jim Sandoval <a href="mailto:plustentoawesome@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">plustentoawesome@gmail.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><div dir="auto" class="">That sounds great! You guys are rocking it!</div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:43 PM Strategicon Department Heads <<a href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Message From: Tara Leederman <a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:taleederman@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">taleederman@gmail.com</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Sounds great, and the categories make total sense to me. Should make it easier for people to cross-index and find stuff they're looking for from different departments all at the same time. Good for cross-pollination. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tara</div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM Strategicon Department Heads <<a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" class="">deptheads@strategicon.net</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Message From: Tanya Aldrich <a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:taldrich@strategicon.net" target="_blank" class="">taldrich@strategicon.net</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><div class="">Hi All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As our group gets more complex, things have gotten a little muddy on the website, which is run by what I’m loosely terming, the system.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">First, departments are defined in the system as <b class="">groups</b>.</div><div class="">Most departments have a definitive leadership, a few, like General, fall to Mike (Event Manager) and Eric (Con Manager).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All departments recognized by the system so far are capable of being <b class="">hosts</b>.</div><div class="">Obviously, Marketing is a department, but so far, I haven’t heard a need for it to be a host, and for one offs, it would default to general.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Not all departments are <b class="">event types</b>.</div><div class="">It just so happens that for years our departments/groups in the system correlated to Game/Event Types. And, at the time there was no reason to worry about the sub-groups being their own type, such as Pathfinder Society.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But now the system is switching over to differentiating between <b class="">event types</b> and <b class="">hosts</b>. Sub-groups and non-game-type groups will only be hosts at Orccon 2021. The search function is now recognizing the difference. For now, a recognized department will be either an event type or a host type in the search. If we get a lot of requests for searching on event types as hosts, I’ll add it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">To this end, these groups will only be searchable as hosts.</div><div class="">Adventurers League</div><div class="">Pathfinder Society</div><div class="">Indie New Games</div><div class="">Play To Win</div><div class="">Family Area</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">These groups should have an <b class="">event type</b> as the <b class="">primary type</b>. For Gateway 2020, these groups can remain as <b class="">secondary types</b>, if you wish, but as long your group is the host, it will say “Hosted by …” in the event list and you will remain controller of the event for editing and sign-ups.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As we continue to separate <b class="">event types</b> and <b class="">hosts,</b> the secondary type will no longer allow these host only types. By that point, GMs will have the option to select one of these as a host. Everyone with admin access should already have this ability and more.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hope this helps clear some things up.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now to migrate the new search code to the sign-up page that everyone has been clamoring for for ages.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Tanya</div></div>_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Deptheads mailing list<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" class="">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads" target="_blank" class="">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Deptheads mailing list<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" class="">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><a rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads" target="_blank" class="">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads</a><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><br class="">Deptheads mailing list<br class=""><br class=""><a href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br class=""><br class=""><a rel="noreferrer noreferrer" href="https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads" target="_blank" class="">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads</a><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div></div> _______________________________________________<br class="">Deptheads mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br class=""><a href="https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class=""> Deptheads mailing list<br class=""> <a href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br class=""> <a href="https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads</a><br class=""> </blockquote></div> _______________________________________________<br class="">Deptheads mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br class=""><a href="https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads</a><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class=""> Deptheads mailing list<br class=""> <a href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" class="">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br class=""> <a href="https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads</a><br class=""> </blockquote></div> _______________________________________________<br class="">Deptheads mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Deptheads@strategicon.net" class="">Deptheads@strategicon.net</a><br class="">https://strategicon.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/deptheads<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>