[Deptheads] More parking info

Victor B fhoenix88 at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 29 14:08:27 PDT 2008 

Speaking of logic and keeping it real.....
The money the hotel makes from us in a year is what they make off of other conventions in 1 weekend.
We are not raking in so much money for them that they cannot lose us--if we were they would bend over backwards to make us happy.
They obviously could care less about our business.
You do not stay in a buning house but you also do not throw gasoline on it. Plan the move NOW and make the best of it in meantime.
The reality is we are there for 2008 unless someone does magic and pulls a hotel contract out of thier hat and pays for it upfront (with money already invested in rat-isson).
Hotels book holiday weekends for travellers and conventions. Surfing the area I see alot of conventions booked at local hotels in burbank and LAX.
Our current hotel situation blows and they treat us like dirt but we are going to be there in less than a month. Our convention goers will be there.
We have to do damage control to keep attendees happy, pr work to get what we can from hotel, and immediately make valid efforts to relocate the convention by at least next summer at latest (august or february preferable). I repeat- in the meantime we have to keep a positive front to our attendees and move our con. After what I heard about sunday treatment there is nothing more to be said for our present location but 'good ridance", In the meantime.........................
The show must go on................


----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Lionheart <spinachcat at yahoo.com>
To: deptheads at strategicon.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:03:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Deptheads] More parking info


Logic says do not stay inside a burning house - even its the easier choice. 
 
Intelligent research is showing that a chunk of those attendees who rent hotel rooms have rented rooms at other hotels.  In fact, they are choosing to play higher rates just to avoid the Radisson. 
 
And for anyone who missed the delightful Radisson hospitality on Sunday, let me recap.   As I pointed out, our efforts provide over $35,000 extra income for this hotel per con.   As thanks, the hotel management kicked us from room to room four times on Sunday while we tried to have the meeting about how to make them money.   We were treated like vagrants, not customers or business associates.  
 
The reality is you get the treatment that you demand.  If you accept being pissed upon, then golden showers is what you get.  The most powerful word in the English language is NO. 
 
- Robert
 
 
 


"Hugh K. Singh" <hksingh1 at comcast.net> wrote:
Tim,
Using logic and intelligent research will only piss off those who are on 
a good rant. What are you trying to be the voice of good sense?

Hugh

Tim wrote:
> Gamex '08 is kind of a done deal. I suggest we look at the bright 
> side of this. If this had to happen, Gamex is the con to have it 
> happen to. As Eric pointed out, this puts the Radisson in breach of 
> contract. Frankly I think we should be thankful. I don't think the 
> Raddison is viable simply from the standpoint of the rooms. I heard 
> more complaints about the rooms than anything else. Forget the 
> parking, forget the layout...if the con attendees won't stay in the 
> hotel, the rest doesn't matter. We were also screwed by the change of 
> ownership, but the current situation is our "Get out of Jail Free 
> Card" with the Radisson. My opinion is we should make the best deal 
> we can for Gamex and plan on moving Gateway '08.
>
> Lets investigate the other hotels...stay in the rooms, check the dates 
> and layouts and decide which hotel works. Eric can pick people to 
> review them. We just need to be systematic and and get it done then 
> we can decide. 
>
> If you want my two sesterces, I say we should look very seriously at 
> the Sheraton and the Hilton. I would recommend we don't approach the 
> Westin again any time soon. We will look like beggars with our "hats 
> in our hands". So for now that leaves the Sheraton and the Hilton. 
> The Sheraton has the dates free, the rooms are ok and I believe the 
> "frequent flyer miles" from the Westin work there. Those are two big 
> points in its favor.
>
> Anyway, like I said...those are my two sesterces.
>
> Tim
>
> t.aldrich at comcast.net wrote:
>> The Marriott is not an option. We have confirmation that all 3 weekends are booked by long standing re-occuring events.
>>
>> Gateway 2007 is being considered in the move.
>>
>> Gamex 2007 is unrealistic to move in less than 4 weeks.
>>
>> Our options at this time are
>> Sheraton Gateway [Not the best layout, but they have all dates free, including Gateway 2007.]
>> Hilton [Pretty good layout. Dates haven't been checked yet.]
>> Westin [Workable layout. Dates haven't been checked yet.]
>>
>> We highly recommend as many people as possible visit both these above locations asap and see the layout and potential difficulties for themselves. This goes double for department heads that are actually in the area.
>>
>> Radisson [Great layout, but you all know the problems by now.]
>>
>> We're considering all suggestions. 
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: Mike Fryer 
>> 
>>> Moving for Gateway is not a realistic goal, we could do it, but Hotels
>>> will have space booked already. In the LAX area there are really only
>>> four hotels that we can go to; Radisson, Westin, Hilton, and the
>>> Marriott. Radisson is out of course, the Westin would screw us again
>>> sooner or later, the Hilton was not very interested in having us, that
>>> leaves the Marriott as our next best hope. Outside of LAX, the few
>>> hotels that would work are in very expensive areas. The Sheraton Gateway
>>> might also work, but we would have to look at the rooms, I think there
>>> are errors in their charts, the main ballroom may be much smaller than
>>> they indicate. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Mike Fryer
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From: deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net
>>> [mailto:deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net] On Behalf Of Eric Burgess
>>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:08 PM
>>> To: deptheads at strategicon.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] More parking info
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> That was unreal. I can't believe how shabbily they treat a regular
>>> customer. I'd love to move this con but at the very least, Gateway
>>> shouldn't be there.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Robert Lionheart 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>> This is such ridiculous BS we should call the Westin and Sheraton
>>>> 
>>> today, and then change the con location tomorrow. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Hell yeah!
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Yesterday's treatment should be a wake up call for everyone. All our
>>> work goes to making the hotel an extra $100,000 and more. You would
>>> think that they could have a little respect for the people who make this
>>> money for them. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Here's the conservative basic math:
>>>
>>> 300 rooms x $100 each x 3 cons = $90,000
>>>
>>> 1000 attendees x $5 each for food x 3 cons = $15,000
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> patrickhavert wrote:
>>>
>>> I think this is the lot next to the Subway.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> No offense, but there is no way we're going to get 500
>>> additional cars in that lot. This woman seems completely out of touch
>>> with reality. This is besides the fact that it is $13 a day with no
>>> in/out.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> They need to eliminate the Room minimum or else we should try
>>> and move for this con. None of this crap was in the contract, and we
>>> were told that the renovations were COMPLETED. This is such ridiculous
>>> BS we should call the Westin and Sheraton today, and then change the con
>>> location tomorrow. 
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> -Patrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net
>>> [mailto:deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net]On Behalf Of DB
>>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:45 PM
>>> To: deptheads at strategicon.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] More parking info
>>>
>>> It's not too far. Here's a sat view google maps of that
>>> parking lot.
>>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/4usyhw
>>> 
>>> On 4/28/08 3:20 PM, "Eric Burgess" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Does that $13.00 include in-and-out privileges? That
>>> sounds farther than the Marriott and might be farther than the Sheraton.
>>> 
>>> I still think they need to nix the room requirement. The
>>> bad buzz based on this solution has already had an effect and that is
>>> their fault.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Eric M. Aldrich I
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Parking at the hotel. Seems they'll have the lot on the
>>> corner of Century and Vicksburg:
>>> 
>>> >From Deborah Lusby:
>>> 
>>> "parking will take about 14-16 months and our guest will
>>> have
>>> parking available at 6151 Century blvd which is located
>>> 750 foot east of
>>> the hotel on the corner of Century and Vicksburg, which
>>> is walking
>>> distance. The self parking rate is at $13.00 or you may
>>> select valet on
>>> located at the hotel for $20.00 per day, valet is
>>> limited. Once we
>>> actually begin the construction we will send you a map
>>> that shows the
>>> location. As for the renovation of the meeting space, we
>>> do not have
>>> any dates set as yet, it going to happen just not sure
>>> when, I will keep
>>> you posted."
>>> 
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> ---
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