[Deptheads] More parking info

Tue Apr 29 14:20:12 PDT 2008

I do think this is enough of a crisis to move to the Sheraton despite not
getting optimal "space all on one floor". The parking is more serious than
that.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Victor B <fhoenix88 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  Speaking of logic and keeping it real.....
> The money the hotel makes from us in a year is what they make off of other
> conventions in 1 weekend.
> We are not raking in so much money for them that they cannot lose us--if
> we were they would bend over backwards to make us happy.
> They obviously could care less about our business.
>
> You do not stay in a buning house but you also do not throw gasoline on
> it. Plan the move NOW and make the best of it in meantime.
> The reality is we are there for 2008 unless someone does magic and pulls a
> hotel contract out of thier hat and pays for it upfront (with money already
> invested in rat-isson).
> Hotels book holiday weekends for travellers and conventions. Surfing the
> area I see alot of conventions booked at local hotels in burbank and LAX.
> Our current hotel situation blows and they treat us like dirt but we are
> going to be there in less than a month. Our convention goers will be there.
> We have to do damage control to keep attendees happy, pr work to get what
> we can from hotel, and immediately make valid efforts to relocate the
> convention by at least next summer at latest (august or february
> preferable). I repeat- in the meantime we have to keep a positive front to
> our attendees and move our con. After what I heard about sunday treatment
> there is nothing more to be said for our present location but 'good
> ridance", In the meantime.........................
>
> The show must go on................
>
>   ----- Original Message ----
> From: Robert Lionheart <spinachcat at yahoo.com>
> To: deptheads at strategicon.net
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 2:03:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] More parking info
>
> Logic says do not stay inside a burning house - even its the easier
> choice.
>
> Intelligent research is showing that a chunk of those attendees who rent
> hotel rooms have rented rooms at other hotels.  In fact, they are choosing
> to play higher rates just to avoid the Radisson.
>
> And for anyone who missed the delightful Radisson hospitality on Sunday,
> let me recap.   As I pointed out, our efforts provide over $35,000 extra
> income for this hotel per con.   As thanks, the hotel management kicked us
> from room to room four times on Sunday while we tried to have the meeting
> *about how to make them money*.   We were treated like vagrants, not
> customers or business associates.
>
> The reality is you get the treatment that you demand.  If you accept being
> pissed upon, then golden showers is what you get.  The most powerful word in
> the English language is NO.
>
> - Robert
>
>
>
>
>
> *"Hugh K. Singh" <hksingh1 at comcast.net>* wrote:
>
> Tim,
> Using logic and intelligent research will only piss off those who are on
> a good rant. What are you trying to be the voice of good sense?
>
> Hugh
>
> Tim wrote:
> > Gamex '08 is kind of a done deal. I suggest we look at the bright
> > side of this. If this had to happen, Gamex is the con to have it
> > happen to. As Eric pointed out, this puts the Radisson in breach of
> > contract. Frankly I think we should be thankful. I don't think the
> > Raddison is viable simply from the standpoint of the rooms. I heard
> > more complaints about the rooms than anything else. Forget the
> > parking, forget the layout...if the con attendees won't stay in the
> > hotel, the rest doesn't matter. We were also screwed by the change of
> > ownership, but the current situation is our "Get out of Jail Free
> > Card" with the Radisson. My opinion is we should make the best deal
> > we can for Gamex and plan on moving Gateway '08.
> >
> > Lets investigate the other hotels...stay in the rooms, check the dates
> > and layouts and decide which hotel works. Eric can pick people to
> > review them. We just need to be systematic and and get it done then
> > we can decide.
> >
> > If you want my two sesterces, I say we should look very seriously at
> > the Sheraton and the Hilton. I would recommend we don't approach the
> > Westin again any time soon. We will look like beggars with our "hats
> > in our hands". So for now that leaves the Sheraton and the Hilton.
> > The Sheraton has the dates free, the rooms are ok and I believe the
> > "frequent flyer miles" from the Westin work there. Those are two big
> > points in its favor.
> >
> > Anyway, like I said...those are my two sesterces.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > t.aldrich at comcast.net wrote:
> >> The Marriott is not an option. We have confirmation that all 3 weekends
> are booked by long standing re-occuring events.
> >>
> >> Gateway 2007 is being considered in the move.
> >>
> >> Gamex 2007 is unrealistic to move in less than 4 weeks.
> >>
> >> Our options at this time are
> >> Sheraton Gateway [Not the best layout, but they have all dates free,
> including Gateway 2007.]
> >> Hilton [Pretty good layout. Dates haven't been checked yet.]
> >> Westin [Workable layout. Dates haven't been checked yet.]
> >>
> >> We highly recommend as many people as possible visit both these above
> locations asap and see the layout and potential difficulties for themselves.
> This goes double for department heads that are actually in the area.
> >>
> >> Radisson [Great layout, but you all know the problems by now.]
> >>
> >> We're considering all suggestions.
> >>
> >> Tanya
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >> From: Mike Fryer
> >>
> >>> Moving for Gateway is not a realistic goal, we could do it, but Hotels
> >>> will have space booked already. In the LAX area there are really only
> >>> four hotels that we can go to; Radisson, Westin, Hilton, and the
> >>> Marriott. Radisson is out of course, the Westin would screw us again
> >>> sooner or later, the Hilton was not very interested in having us, that
> >>> leaves the Marriott as our next best hope. Outside of LAX, the few
> >>> hotels that would work are in very expensive areas. The Sheraton
> Gateway
> >>> might also work, but we would have to look at the rooms, I think there
> >>> are errors in their charts, the main ballroom may be much smaller than
> >>> they indicate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Fryer
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net
> >>> [mailto:deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net] On Behalf Of Eric Burgess
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 5:08 PM
> >>> To: deptheads at strategicon.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] More parking info
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> That was unreal. I can't believe how shabbily they treat a regular
> >>> customer. I'd love to move this con but at the very least, Gateway
> >>> shouldn't be there.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Robert Lionheart
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This is such ridiculous BS we should call the Westin and Sheraton
> >>>>
> >>> today, and then change the con location tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hell yeah!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yesterday's treatment should be a wake up call for everyone. All our
> >>> work goes to making the hotel an extra $100,000 and more. You would
> >>> think that they could have a little respect for the people who make
> this
> >>> money for them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here's the conservative basic math:
> >>>
> >>> 300 rooms x $100 each x 3 cons = $90,000
> >>>
> >>> 1000 attendees x $5 each for food x 3 cons = $15,000
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> patrickhavert wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think this is the lot next to the Subway.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No offense, but there is no way we're going to get 500
> >>> additional cars in that lot. This woman seems completely out of touch
> >>> with reality. This is besides the fact that it is $13 a day with no
> >>> in/out.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> They need to eliminate the Room minimum or else we should try
> >>> and move for this con. None of this crap was in the contract, and we
> >>> were told that the renovations were COMPLETED. This is such ridiculous
> >>> BS we should call the Westin and Sheraton today, and then change the
> con
> >>> location tomorrow.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Patrick
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net
> >>> [mailto:deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net]On Behalf Of DB
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:45 PM
> >>> To: deptheads at strategicon.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] More parking info
> >>>
> >>> It's not too far. Here's a sat view google maps of that
> >>> parking lot.
> >>>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/4usyhw
> >>>
> >>> On 4/28/08 3:20 PM, "Eric Burgess"
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Does that $13.00 include in-and-out privileges? That
> >>> sounds farther than the Marriott and might be farther than the
> Sheraton.
> >>>
> >>> I still think they need to nix the room requirement. The
> >>> bad buzz based on this solution has already had an effect and that is
> >>> their fault.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Eric M. Aldrich I
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Parking at the hotel. Seems they'll have the lot on the
> >>> corner of Century and Vicksburg:
> >>>
> >>> >From Deborah Lusby:
> >>>
> >>> "parking will take about 14-16 months and our guest will
> >>> have
> >>> parking available at 6151 Century blvd which is located
> >>> 750 foot east of
> >>> the hotel on the corner of Century and Vicksburg, which
> >>> is walking
> >>> distance. The self parking rate is at $13.00 or you may
> >>> select valet on
> >>> located at the hotel for $20.00 per day, valet is
> >>> limited. Once we
> >>> actually begin the construction we will send you a map
> >>> that shows the
> >>> location. As for the renovation of the meeting space, we
> >>> do not have
> >>> any dates set as yet, it going to happen just not sure
> >>> when, I will keep
> >>> you posted."
> >>>
> >>> Eric
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> Eric M. Aldrich I
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