[Deptheads] Broadside Bash - Bashed

Tue Mar 10 20:24:59 PDT 2009

Part of the things complained about was table height (wanted higher tables
rather than risers) and that lack of space in the gaming rooms.

Risers  generally what has been requested in the past to allow players to
better reach across gaming tables.

Gaming space (how many tables that were in the rooms).  Broadside bash
people gave us false numbers the days of the event when we were setting up.
Over estimating by 30% on both Fantasy and 40k tournaments.  Fortunately we
aren¹t charged per table, but this did make up short of risers that we
wanted to use in the upstairs.  This also caused us to move the FOW
tournament upstairs and caused major consternation on how and where to place
the FOW tournament (which did accurately tell us how many people they had).
Accurate numbers would have allowed us to accurately utilize the three rooms
downstairs for all three events, and left the upstairs room for the LARPERs
on Friday/Saturday nights.

We are getting tarred badly for the organizational  setup of this event.

Have we signed on again for next year yet?

Eric, I¹ve tried also talking to you regarding feedback that we have gotten
from the GW Socal league guys (Mike Garner), calling you repeatedly.
As I told you, he has given us an ultimatum (which I despise from anyone) to
dump the Pacific Marauders, and take up a 2 year, all conventions contract
with the GW Socal folks to run RTTs and Megaevents (at a minimum) for the
next two years.  I have brought this to your attention and tried to get you
to sit down with the this last fall.  I know that convention times are busy.

Now the GW Socal folks just ran an Indi GT event also this past weekend and
here is the review
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/232635.page

Basic gist of the review:
>> Didn't know if I should put it in News or Discussions but since it's a review
>> of a GT I decided to put it here. If this isn't the right spot please mods
>> move it to discussions.
>> 
>> So I have to say that after the Broadside Bash (Blackmoor and I posted our
>> horrible experiences a week or two ago for it) my hopes weren't very high for
>> the next Indy GT. I don't know if I'm gonna make to more than 1 other GT this
>> year so to get my points for this years circuit I had to attend. It was also
>> being run by a league I used to parcipate in and am planning to do so again
>> so I figured what the hell, i'd give it a shot.
>> 
>> That being said, holy hell! This tournement was absolutely awesome. Probably
>> the best event that i've participated in in year, possibly ever. There only
>> 31 attendees due to the short notice and lack of advertising (something they
>> are already fixing for next year) but it seemed bigger.

So which way are we going with this?

The local Privateer Press volunteers are also making a play for another
convention here in Southern California:
>> http://forums.gamesonthego.net/index.php?showtopic=2203&pid=11025&st=0&#entry
>> 11025 

Gotta say the LAX hotel situation is killing our miniatures

Robyn

On 3/10/09 7:58 PM, "Robyn Nixon" <robynln at gmail.com> wrote:

> One of the few reviews I've seen  on third party sites:
> 
> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/231779.page
> 
>>> The whole tournament from top to bottom was a disaster.
>>> 
>>> It took place two weeks ago and no one has talked about the Broadside Bash
>>> which is the second event in the GW tournament circuit, including GW. Maybe
>>> it is like a prison rape where no one talks about it afterwards. So I
>>> thought I would post my thoughts on the event.
>>> 
>>> Where to start? In no orderŠ
>>> 
>>> #1. Two hour rounds.
>>> Really? 2 hour games for a 2000 point tournament? My games barely made it to
>>> round #5, and I place and play my army pretty fast. In round #3, I played
>>> against an Ultramarine army that held his whole army in reserve till the
>>> bottom of turn #2 and we still only got in 2 turns. Smart_Alex brought horde
>>> orks, and he only got in 3 turns for the most part. For the GW GTs they give
>>> you 2.5 hours for 1750 points and even then it is dicey for some armies.
>>> 
>>> #2. The tables
>>> The tables were on knee level. I am 6¹4² and trying to check
>>> ³true-line-of-sight² was a major pain. Not only that, but to bend over and
>>> move your models was an issue. The tables were so low that you could not
>>> slide your chair under the table and you had to sit sideways because there
>>> was no room in the isles. Between sitting and turning sideways to see the
>>> table, bending over to move models, and bending way down to check LOS, my
>>> back was killing me after day one. I should have listened to it when it told
>>> me to stay home on day 2.
>>> 
>>> #3. The crowding
>>> The tables were packed in like sardines. There was no room to move, or to
>>> get by anyone. If you had a table that was against the wall, the person who
>>> had his back to the wall could not move. The irony is that there were over
>>> 30 40k players in a smaller room, and 14 fantasy players in a larger room.
>>> At least they could have done is move some of the 40k player to the fantasy
>>> room.
>>> 
>>> #4. The orginizers
>>> They have a web page that was never updated. The link to their forum takes
>>> you to the 2008 broadside bash forum instead of the 2009 forum. Not that it
>>> would do you any good because the organizers never answered questions there.
>>> Also most of the links on the web page just said ³coming soon².
>>> 
>>> #5. Orginizers part 2
>>> There was an armored company list there. Really? Armored company? All of the
>>> non-codex lists are banned from any event where the orginizers know what
>>> they are doing. The reason why is that none of the other lists have been
>>> updated to make them 5th edition compatible. I ended up in an argument with
>>> some people that were there saying that all of the sub-lists were legal.
>>> 
>>> #6. Orginizers #3.
>>> The initial pairings where done by comp score. Good luck finding what your
>>> comp score was, or how it was derived.
>>> 
>>> Russ B. did end up with a well deserved win with his well painted Black
>>> Templar army. I will post my bat rep of our game in the next day or two.
>>> 
>>> All-in-all it was a waste to pay $65 and to drive 6 hours for that level of
>>> professionalism. I expected more and I was very disappointed. All I can do
>>> is vote with my wallet and not show up next year.
>>> 
> 2nd review:
>>> 
>>> Well i've been saying the same thing over in our battle report that you
>>> wrote up. Couple of my issues
>>> 
>>> 1) I'm pretty sure they called one game in 1 hour 45 minutes
>>> 
>>> 2) Seconding communication. It's been 2 weeks and the results still aren't
>>> on their website.
>>> 
>>> 3) They don't answer email or in person questions in any reasonable form. It
>>> was like pulling teeth for Allan and I to get our comp scores and even then
>>> they just shrugged off the ridiculous scores we got.
>>> 
>>> 4) There were only 31 people in the 40k tournement. Way to small which shows
>>> that not updating your site or responding to questions probably seriously
>>> hampered attendance.
>>> 
>>> 5) The organizers failed to mention that the parking structure was under
>>> construction and that we would have to park at least a block away (the
>>> distance wasn't a big deal, it was the fact that you didn't know about it
>>> till you pulled up)
>>> 
>>> 6) Nothing, and I mean nothing, started at the time it was scheduled. This
>>> is probably the reason they kept cutting every round short.
>>> 
>>> 7) The tables made my back hurt and i only weigh about 190 and 5'8". I felt
>>> bad for guys like Allan and my buddy who is also 6'4" who had to bend and
>>> contort to see. What's worse is with a little bit of work those tables raise
>>> up easily. My buddy uses them for work all the time.
>>> 
>>> 8) The tank company thing was ridiculous. They let him play since he drove
>>> from modesto but really there are rules for a reason.
>>> 
>>> 9) Second the cramped quarters, apparently the hotel had booked a second
>>> convention for the same weekend (at least that's what I heard from a
>>> retailer there)
>>> 
>>> 10) They weren't consistant on the scoring rules. They handed out the GT
>>> scenarios which had a set scoring but then "announced" that it was only
>>> 7-10-15 scores with bonuses possible. By annouced I mean attempted to yell
>>> it in a hall packed with 30 guys all trying to set up armies for their first
>>> game.
>>> 
>>> 11) I really felt bad for the fantasy guys who had like 15 people show up to
>>> play in the tourney.
>>> 
>>> 12) Basically it's a tournement that unless they make huge strides next year
>>> that I don't think will be around. Good thing the SCGWL is running one for
>>> us too.
>>> 
>>> I was horribly irritated at the professionalism.
>>> 
>>> 
> Guys this isn¹t good.
> 
> Dakkadakka is a widely read site for 40k/GW players!!
> 
> Robyn
> 
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