[Deptheads] The Saga Of The Three Con Names
evil5757 at aol.com
evil5757 at aol.com
Tue Apr 30 18:38:47 PDT 2013
Yep, I remember that event. It was exactly 30 years before Burgess became relavant, right?
Connected by Motorola
Tim <tim at stugiii.com> wrote:
>Actually Orccon was founded by HMGS. I believe it was "Orccon", then
>"Son of Orccon". It reverted back to "Orccon" after that. Orccon =
>Orange County Convention which is where it was originally held.
>
>Someone besides John has to give history lessons on occasion...
>
>Tim
>
>
>On 4/30/2013 4:18 PM, Victor B wrote:
>> Thanks for all the input everyone.
>> Orccon was first and was established in 1977. The other 2 followed.
>> The original founder from 77 plus some of the other previous owners
>> are vendors at our con, and/or support our con. I even met 2 previous
>> owners at GAMA--one from the 80s and one from the 90s. They both
>> talked fondly of the con and started sentences off with "back in 1995
>> when I ran the con....". Neither has lived in cali for many years. We
>> have a rich 36 year history. There are less than a handful of people,
>> like Ryan, that have been with this con over 25 years and been a part
>> of 70+ of it's conventions. This con will still be going when most all
>> of us have moved on.
>> I mentioned Orccon, Gamex and Gateway versus strategicon 3X a year
>> (feb, may, sept) because I wanted everyone here to put in their
>> 2-cents before we made a decision.
>> I wanted everyone to hear what Ryan, Norm, Mike Russell, Mike Fryer,
>> Eric N., Eric B., and Kryssie had to say as well as supervisors and
>> others on this list. Your input is valuable.
>> Thanks
>> V
>>
>> *From:* Michael Russell <mikeinva8 at mac.com>
>> *To:* deptheads at strategicon.net
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:52 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Deptheads] The Saga Of The Three Con Names
>>
>> Ok just wanted to get my two cents in on this before the final word
>> comes down. I think that we need to have either Strategicon or the
>> name of the conventions on the banners for few reason. One, not only
>> are people at the hotel for the convention, but a lot of guest of the
>> hotel walk through wondering what is going on. With out Strategicon
>> or the con names on the banners there is NOTHING advertising who we
>> are. When working the reg desk many many times people have noted the
>> name Strategicon or the con name when asking what was going on.
>> Second if someone is new to the cons, this reaffirms they are in the
>> right place, and with a move coming soon, I think we need this more
>> than ever.
>>
>> As for the names of the Cons (Orccon, Gamex, Gateway) they have been
>> those name for over 25-30 years(Yes me and Eric A. have been going to
>> these con for that long), and have worked well (by the way for those
>> of you that don't know this, Orccon stood for Orange county
>> Convention) not the ugly beast :) When ever I think of changing the
>> names I think of companies that did that and it was a disaster - Think
>> Radio Shack trying to change to "The Shack" how well did that work for
>> them? And all three names are something easy to remember, so when
>> they get home and google it, right of the bat, strategicon come up,
>> and that is what we want.
>>
>> As for each Convention having a "Theme" not bad but like someone else
>> said have it very low key, like the program cover art of one con be
>> board games, another war games and another RPG. We do not want people
>> saying "Oh I don't go to Gamex because that is there RPG con", we
>> might loose people to something like that.
>>
>> So that is my two cents worth.
>> Mike Russell
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 10:24 PM, Tim <tim at stugiii.com
>> <mailto:tim at stugiii.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike will get the decision by tomorrow morning...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/30/2013 10:34 AM, Ryan McMullan wrote:
>>>> In the interim before a bold leadership decision is made, I second
>>>> just listing department name so the posters aren't in limbo.
>>>> Ryan
>>>> On Apr 30, 2013 9:32 AM, "evil5757 at aol.com
>>>> <mailto:evil5757 at aol.com>" <evil5757 at aol.com
>>>> <mailto:evil5757 at aol.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Everyone, the purpose of the banners is to let people know where
>>>> they are. Drop everything but the department. They know we're
>>>> strategicon and they know what convention it is! They're there!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /Connected by Motorola/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike fryer <darkbeerdrinker at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:darkbeerdrinker at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why is that a problem and why should there be a difference? All
>>>> three are game cons run by the same people at the same location,
>>>> how different can they be? When have they ever been different
>>>> and all own by the same person(s)?
>>>>
>>>> Mike Fryer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Tim Keennon <tim at stugiii.com
>>>> <mailto:tim at stugiii.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is the problem we have. There should be something
>>>> different and there isn't at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Not making the cons distinct entities is one of our issues.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my mobile device.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Neil Figuracion
>>>> <fadtwentythree at gmail.com <mailto:fadtwentythree at gmail.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll throw this question out:
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than time of year, what's different about each
>>>>> convention?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Eric Nyquist
>>>>> <thatericn at aol.com <mailto:thatericn at aol.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi -
>>>>>
>>>>> Since we've been the convention ownership, there definitely has been a moderately strong shift towards using Strategicon as a blanket term, versus the individual names. Back in "ye olde days" the phrase "Strategicon presents" was more boilerplate than identification; more of the background ownership than the out-front name and face for the conventions.
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion to harmonize the naming issue would be to do something like this on the flyers, con books, web, social media, etc.:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *ORCCON*
>>>>>
>>>>> /Strategicon's Winter Convention/
>>>>>
>>>>> *GAMEX*
>>>>>
>>>>> /Strategicon's Spring Convention/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *GATEWAY*
>>>>>
>>>>> /Strategicon's Summer Convention/
>>>>>
>>>>> /
>>>>>
>>>>> /
>>>>>
>>>>> /
>>>>>
>>>>> /
>>>>>
>>>>> ... or we might consider/"Strategicon's Winter Gaming Convention"/ or even/"Strategicon's Winter Event"/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Recognized names are kept, no babies are thrown out with bathwater, while each con's identity is better defined and clarified.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric N.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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