[Deptheads] The Saga Of The Three Con Names

Eric M. Aldrich I ealdrich at mac.com
Fri May 3 08:39:00 PDT 2013 

"Son of Orccon" was both Orccon II (1978) and later used in the late 1980s for a one-shot Thanksgiving weekend show (1988 or 1989 -- I can't remember). 

Eric

On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Kryssie wrote:

> Thanks!  Bring me something shiny from Slovania!  :D
> 
> Kryssie M.
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> On 2013-04-30, at 6:02 PM, Michael Russell <mikeinva8 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> When I get home next week I will send you all that I have, I am away in Slovenia right now.  I agree it would be a interesting factoid.  
>> 
>> Mike
>> On May 1, 2013, at 2:59 AM, Kryssie <phantom.hopscotch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Would someone supply me with the history of the convention please?  It's interesting factoids usable in the tours.
>>> 
>>> Kryssie M.
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>>> On 2013-04-30, at 5:56 PM, Michael Russell <mikeinva8 at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Actually son of Orccon was a one time convention they tried in November, but it never took off. Orccon has always had the same name and time of year.  I have the complete early history of the cons as written my Alan E. one of he founders of the cons on my home computer, it was in one of the Con books years and years ago.   
>>>> 
>>>> Mike  
>>>> On May 1, 2013, at 2:52 AM, Tim <Tim at stugiii.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Actually Orccon was founded by HMGS.  I believe it was "Orccon", then "Son of Orccon".  It reverted back to "Orccon" after that.  Orccon = Orange County Convention which is where it was originally held.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Someone besides John has to give history lessons on occasion...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/30/2013 4:18 PM, Victor B wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for all the input everyone.
>>>>>> Orccon was first and was established in 1977. The other 2 followed. The original founder from 77 plus some of the other previous owners are vendors at our con, and/or support our con. I even met 2 previous owners at GAMA--one from the 80s and one from the 90s. They both talked fondly of the con and started sentences off with "back in 1995 when I ran the con....". Neither has lived in cali for many years. We have a rich 36 year history. There are less than a handful of people, like Ryan, that have been with this con over 25 years and been a part of 70+ of it's conventions. This con will still be going when most all of us have moved on.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I mentioned Orccon, Gamex and Gateway versus strategicon 3X a year (feb, may, sept) because I wanted everyone here to put in their 2-cents before we made a decision.
>>>>>> I wanted everyone to hear what Ryan, Norm, Mike Russell, Mike Fryer, Eric N., Eric B., and Kryssie had to say as well as supervisors and others on this list. Your input is valuable.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> V
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Michael Russell <mikeinva8 at mac.com>
>>>>>> To: deptheads at strategicon.net 
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:52 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] The Saga Of The Three Con Names
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ok just wanted to get my two cents in on this before the final word comes down.  I think that we need to have either Strategicon or the name of the conventions on the banners for few reason.  One, not only are people at the hotel for the convention, but a lot of guest of the hotel walk through wondering what is going on.  With out Strategicon or the con names  on the banners there is NOTHING advertising who we are. When working the reg desk many many times people have noted the name Strategicon or the con name when asking what was going on.  Second if someone is new to the cons, this reaffirms they are in the right place, and with a move coming soon, I think we need this more than ever.    
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As for the names of the Cons (Orccon, Gamex, Gateway) they have been those name for over 25-30 years(Yes me and Eric A. have been going to these con for that long), and have worked well (by the way for those of you that don't know this, Orccon stood for Orange county Convention) not the ugly beast :)   When ever I think of changing the names I think of companies that did that and it was a disaster - Think Radio Shack trying to change to "The Shack" how well did that work for them?   And all three names are something easy to remember, so when they get home and google it, right of the bat, strategicon come up, and that is what we want.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As for each Convention having a "Theme" not bad but like someone else said have it very low key, like the program cover art of one con be board games, another war games and another RPG.  We do not want people saying "Oh I don't go to Gamex because that is there RPG con", we might loose people to something like that.   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So that is my two cents worth.
>>>>>> Mike Russell
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 10:24 PM, Tim <tim at stugiii.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mike will get the decision by tomorrow morning...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 4/30/2013 10:34 AM, Ryan McMullan wrote:
>>>>>>>> In the interim before a bold leadership decision is made, I second just listing department name so the posters aren't in limbo.
>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2013 9:32 AM, "evil5757 at aol.com" <evil5757 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Everyone, the purpose of the banners is to let people know where they are. Drop everything but the department. They know we're strategicon and they know what convention it is! They're there!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Connected by Motorola
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> mike fryer <darkbeerdrinker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why is that a problem and why should there be a difference? All three are game cons run by the same people at the same location, how different can they be? When have they ever been different and all own by the same person(s)? 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Mike Fryer
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Tim Keennon <tim at stugiii.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> That is the problem we have. There should be something different and there isn't at the moment. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Not making the cons distinct entities is one of our issues. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my mobile device.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:32 AM, Neil Figuracion <fadtwentythree at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'll throw this question out: 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Other than time of year, what's different about each convention? 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Eric Nyquist <thatericn at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>  Hi - 
>>>>>>>>> Since we've been the convention ownership, there definitely has been a moderately strong shift towards using Strategicon as a blanket term, versus the individual names. Back in "ye olde days" the phrase "Strategicon presents" was more boilerplate than identification; more of the background ownership than the out-front name and face for the conventions.
>>>>>>>>> My suggestion to harmonize the naming issue would be to do something like this on the flyers, con books, web, social media, etc.:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ORCCON
>>>>>>>>> Strategicon's Winter Convention
>>>>>>>>> GAMEX
>>>>>>>>> Strategicon's Spring Convention
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> GATEWAY
>>>>>>>>> Strategicon's Summer Convention
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ... or we might consider "Strategicon's Winter Gaming Convention" or even "Strategicon's Winter Event"
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Recognized names are kept, no babies are thrown out with bathwater, while each con's identity is better defined and clarified.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Eric N.
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