[Deptheads] Gamex 2014 - Event Submission

Sun Mar 23 10:38:02 PDT 2014

I actually spoke to Ta-Te at a playtest session yesterday and mentioned it to him. He was surprised to think that it was thought of as anything but a boardgame but I'm sure he wouldn't balk at a special event.

We got to talking about how iPad versions of games could potentially be ways to scale board game tournaments when there are not enough physical boards and I realized we have actually done it before. I see no reason not to do it if the need arises but that's a call for others to make.

I also noted to Ta-Te that we have two copies of Mines of the Sacred Dragon in the library and he could take those copies for the tournament if someone shows up without an iPad and is deeply distressed but they can't play.

On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Eric M. Aldrich I <ealdrich at mac.com>
wrote:

> Yes, and we might even list it as a "Special Event". But yes, we should ask him what he thinks -- Ta-Te is amazingly level-headed, at least in my limited dealing with him, and I'm sure he'd give a reasonable well-thought out answer.
> Eric
> On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:09 AM, Ken Barnard wrote:
>> If we had any idea how well this would be received I'd think that we could schedule it as an event.  The actual venue wouldn't really matter.
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>> Ta-Te Wu has been attending every con since we had him as a guest and he really works to engage everyone at the table.  As odd as it sounds, the best path may be just to ask him how he thinks it would work best.  He knows his product better than anyone and I'm sure that he'd understand why we are having issues classifying this.
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>> I'd never heard of the game until I read this thread, but I'm tempted to buy it just to participate.
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>> My two cents.
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>> Ken
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>> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 19:50:56 -0700
>> From: ssshanucon at yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] Gamex 2014 - Event Submission
>> To: deptheads at strategicon.net
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>> Is there another department/category that it fits better in?
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>> Shane Sauby
>> Boardgames Supervisor
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>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:15 PM, Dean Taylor <deanatay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Because for a board game, it's a significant departure.  Not so much so with CCGs or minis, they often require you to own your own deck or army to play.  In Board Games, you typically just bring yourself, and the GM brings the game.  
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>> We have no problems with the event.  We can probably even find room in the ballroom, if you want it to be run there (and it sounds like the best place for it).  We simply object to it being classified as a board game.  
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>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:06 PM, E.R. Burgess <erburgess at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's probably small. I'm just puzzled about why the requirement to have an iPad is such a big deal. As long as it is clearly stated, why treat it differently?
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>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Dean Taylor <deanatay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If this game were a board game, we'd be pleased as punch to have it - probably give it a few tables, where lots of people could see it.  
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>> There is a board-game version of this game (it's apparently the prize), but that's not what they're proposing to play.  
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>> The ownership requirement almost makes it feel like a LCG or minis tournament.  Clearly, this game doesn't fit into well-established categories.  A special event would give the designer the attention he deserves, while distinguishing it from a standard board game event.  
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>> Do we have any idea of this game's expected draw?  
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>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Shane Sauby <ssshanucon at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And the space issue is not my main concern.  I am more concerned with the exclusivity of this event.
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>> SSS
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>> On , Shane Sauby <ssshanucon at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am not that concerned about space.  My space objection has more to do with giving table space to an event that could just as easily be held in a hallway or an elevator as at a table.
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>> Shane Sauby
>> Boardgames Supervisor
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>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:52 PM, Tim Keennon <tim at stugiii.com> wrote:
>> If you are concerned about space, we can limit it to a given number of participants.  I would think this would be a good event to have in boardgames.  Alternatively we could put it downstairs.
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>> Tim
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>> From: deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net [mailto:deptheads-bounces at strategicon.net] On Behalf Of Nekojin
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:26 AM
>> To: Strategicon Dept Heads; Shane Sauby
>> Subject: Re: [Deptheads] Gamex 2014 - Event Submission
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>> Is there any way that there can be a "community" (IE, convention-controlled/owned) iPad at the event so that people who don't happen to own an iPad can still attempt to play in the tournament?
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>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Shane Sauby <ssshanucon at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The reason for my initial reaction was two-fold.  First, this is going to take up table space and space in my schedule for an event that Dean correctly described as a group of people sitting around ignoring each other.  It seems to go counter to almost everything a boardgame event should be.
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>> My bigger concern is the requirement to bring an iPad and own the game.  This event is extremely exclusive compared to other events in my department.  Usually, if you don't own the game, you can play.  This will be the first time (maybe ever) in boardgames where the only way to play in the event is to already own the game.
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>> Honestly, I think this is a cool idea, but I would rather it was made more of a Special Event and done somewhere other than boardgames.  I agree that we want to take care of the designers who come to our convention so I would rather make a bigger deal out of this than just putting it on the boardgame schedule.
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>> Shane Sauby
>> Boardgames Supervisor
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>> On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 9:23 AM, E.R. Burgess <erburgess at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's an odd crossroad for sure but Mines is a board game and it can be played solo or multiplayer. I expect this is just good promotion for both and a kind of neat idea since I see a heck of a lot of iPads at Strategicons. I concur on the idea - keep it in board games.
>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Nekojin <nekojin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> While it's true that the event is a solo iPad game, done competitively, Ta-Te Wu is a board game designer, and largely unheard of by the video gaming crowd (except for people like myself who are crossover gamers). You want this event in Board Gaming, if only for the exposure for him to his board-gaming base. Banishing him to the hinterlands of the Video Gaming Room could be viewed as an insult. I doubt very much that you want to do that to your board game designers. ;)
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>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Dean Taylor <deanatay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Also, the game is a solitaire game.  Board games usually involve interaction between players - this will be several people sitting around a table, staring into their iPads, ignoring each other.  It definitely feels more like a video game event. 
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>> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Dean Taylor <deanatay at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I can see his confusion, though - it's not technically a board game.  Although the prize is a board game, it does not seem like that's what they're playing, since it requires that they bring the iPad game.  I'm tempted to class it as a video game. 
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>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Tim Keennon <tim at stugiii.com> wrote:
>> Treat it like any board game
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>> Tim
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>> Sent from my mobile device.
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>> On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Eric Burgess <erburgess at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What is the issue? Ta-Te is a good friend of mine and I can resolve any issues with it.
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>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Shane Sauby <ssshanucon at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure what to do with this event submitted by Ta-Te Wu...
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>> Mines is a solitaire tile placement iPad (iOS) game based on Mines of the Sacred Dragon. Players must bring their own iPad with Mines installed to participate the tournament. The player who played and receives highest point during the tournament hour will win a copy of Mines of the Sacred Dragon board game.
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>> Shane Sauby
>> Boardgames Supervisor
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