[Deptheads] Departments that aren't Game Types

Sat May 16 10:19:55 PDT 2020

I think you are splitting some very semantic hairs here Tanya.
ING/Proto-Spiel applies to a specific kind of game, the
new/unpublished/in-progress sort of game. Drawing a parallel to PFA or AL
seems fairly ridiculous since there is no reason they shouldn’t be a
primary either. Yes they are both RPGs, although PFS technically is 2 and a
card game, but a very specific subset of RPGs built around a specific
community and the support of a singular company. They don’t even use our
system for pre-regs, relying on Warhorn for most of that.

Add in the fact that I have gotten a large number of requests for a
proto-spiel area that was distinct from the regular gaming areas (since
that’s the way it works pretty much everywhere else) because the community
itself views these as a separate category, that we decided to make this
it’s own department.

ING needs to be its own distinct entity to properly serve that community
and not be an obstacle to someone else’s department and paperwork. This is
a destination for GMs and players alike, and should be regarded as such by
our classifications.

A third point, and my only use of the word that all of this seems to hinge
upon, Prototype  contains the word type. My thesaurus game is strong.

Mike

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:36 AM Strategicon Department Heads <
deptheads at strategicon.net> wrote:

> Message From: Angelica Magno  angelicamagno.ing at gmail.com
> Tanya,
>
> All due respect, I just don’t see how ING is not a type.
> Prototypes/Playtests as far as I’m concerned are a type of game. They are
> all games that are not ready and not in stores.
>
> I’m not seeing the correlation between PFS/AL and ING. From what I
> understand of PFS they are a group, but are like a subset and share a type
> with RPGs. I don’t feel that is how my department is at all.
>
> While you’re saying that ING is a host only, the real discussion here is
> if a prototype is a type of game or not. I would have to say it is. I had
> already made sure to cross list all my games prior to asking if my
> department could be added to the search and add ING to the host department.
> The only change I would have had to make was essentially giving my events
> to all the other departments. I think, too, that would be confusing to
> attendees who come specifically for prototypes. Or people who find my games
> listed under board games and go to the board games department and do not
> see the game they’re looking for.
>
> In other cons, prototypes are celebrated and are recognized as a separate
> type.
>
> In any case, could we please come back to this discussion after virtual
> con? It’s in less than a week and I’m still working on the discord, the
> charity raffle, and helping my GMs.
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 10:30 PM, Strategicon Department Heads <
> deptheads at strategicon.net> wrote:
>
> Message From: Tanya Aldrich  taldrich at strategicon.net
>
>
> Moving this discussion to a new Subject, as it has nothing to do with
> waitlists.
>
> Your description makes ING a host. Just because some game types are also
> department hosts does not change the fact ING is not a game type.
>
> As soon as I have the time, I will be adding a Host list to the search
> criteria. At that point ING, Pathfinder, Adventurers’ League, Family Area,
> etc will be placed there. These are groups or departments that aren’t game
> types.
>
> Eric and I have been discussing this on and off. There are plans to
> explicitly separate game type from host. GM host options will be determined
> by game type. For example, RPG game type will have the host options of
> RPGs, Pathfinder, Adventurers’ League, Family Area. Miniatures will have
> Miniatures and Family Area. Only admins (department heads, etc) will have
> access to all hosts for the purpose of moving events to a different host
> department.
>
> That said, ING is a gaming group/department like Pathfinder. If they are
> to remain the primary at least for this con, I need to figure out how to
> set the secondary type as the color. Will work on this.
>
> Tanya
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Strategicon Department Heads <
> deptheads at strategicon.net> wrote:
>
> Message From: Mike James  minis.tyrant at gmail.com
> Ing should be primary. It’s their stuff, their GMs, their recruiting, and
> if we were playing in meatspace, it would be in their room.
>
> Mike
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:53 PM Strategicon Department Heads <
> deptheads at strategicon.net> wrote:
>
>> Message From: Tanya Aldrich  taldrich at strategicon.net
>> Hi Angelica,
>>
>> I understand your concern.
>>
>> The host has the edit access. If no host is defined, then primary as the
>> default host has edit access. That’s where your problem came in. Your GMs
>> have to list Indie as the primary, because they don’t have access to the
>> host field. What you need to do is list Indie as host then switch Indie to
>> secondary. It can be done in one edit, but setting the host lets you move
>> to secondary and still retain edit access.
>>
>> Playtest is a classification like Tournament or Demo. Type is Board, CCG,
>> Mini, RPG, etc. That reminds me, I need to add Playtest to the
>> classification filter. I keep forgetting to do so. :)
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>> On May 14, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Strategicon Department Heads <
>> deptheads at strategicon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Message From: Angelica Magno  angelicamagno.ing at gmail.com
>> Hi Tanya,
>>
>> To answer your question on discord, I can make the changes, and swap the
>> secondary and primary. My only concern is, will I have access to those
>> games if changes need to be made?
>>
>> I had an issue with some of my games being sent to a different department
>> earlier because they were under a different primary type. Because they were
>> in contact with me I understood what they needed and what changes needed to
>> be made to their events (also being able to keep track and input it on my
>> own schedules if changes do happen).
>>
>> While I agree that my games vary and I am a location  and host they all
>> share the type of playtest only games. Does playtest not qualify as a type?
>>
>> Angelica
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